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06-19-2013, 08:13 PM
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Cheech had a double surgery and it didn't correct it. His full recovery from the surgery took more than 4 or 5 months.

I know it is different from a regular hernia. According to the articles I have read, it is a little longer recovery than regular because it takes longer for the bone/muscle attachment to heal than it does for muscle/muscle which is regular hernia. Full recovery on muscle/muscle is roughly 3 months. According to the articles, sports hernia surgery is far from 100% in success rate.
Burns had the double (from what I remember) and he looks healed to me...

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Burns had the double (from what I remember) and he looks healed to me...
Do you have a source for this because I haven't read anything that said it was a double.

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Far from 100%...? That's not accurate.. there are a ton of cases of pro players having it and being "fixed"... Yes some can't get past it but there are many contributors. Cheech had more problems and his injury was far worse than the typical. Maybe he didn't rehab it as well as he should have, I don't know. But the same guy that operated on him operated on me and said that mine was pretty much as bad as you can get probably from trying to play on it for 8 months after the injury.
He said "success rate". Meaning not all people have successful surgery's.

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Do you have a source for this because I haven't read anything that said it was a double.
That's why I qualified it. I was fairly certain that's what I read but I could be wrong.

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06-19-2013, 09:03 PM
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He said "success rate". Meaning not all people have successful surgery's.
I doubt that greatly. I would bet the main contributor to reinjury is not rehabbing completely. Rehab sucked... it was difficult and sometimes painful.

I would look at the sharks, raiders, whiners and warriors history of reinjury after sports hernia surgery. This guy works on all those teams from what I remember.

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I prefer the Old Yeller treatment to abdominal surgery.
didn't realize he had rabies. Isn't that contagious?

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He said "success rate". Meaning not all people have successful surgery's.
No medical procedure is 100% but sports hernia was a bit lower than regular procedures. It is almost never diagnosed through imaging technology, it is primarily by symptomatology. I have read multiple articles on it by MDs. The treatment stems more from a well developed hypothesis than repeatedly and easily observed abnormality followed by correction (eg regular inguinal hernia). I suspect that this is the why of the lower success rate.

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I followed Cheech past the time when he left the Sharks. I found no further publication of further procedures for him. Gaborik is another who has not been the same since his sports hernia procedures although he is still a very capable NHL player.

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This is a nightmare situation with Havlat.

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Congrats Lee. You have officially made my signature with this gem right here.

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Well this is a ****ed up situation DW is in. If both Hertl and Nieto make it out of camp, it could create some interesting competition as to who plays better with Cooch and Patty...

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I was happy after the trade...but havlat is somehow contributing even less than what I thought was a worst case scenario at the time

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didn't realize he had rabies. Isn't that contagious?
THATS why they took his locker away!

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Should buy him out anyway and give him some money under the table for robot legs.

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06-20-2013, 12:50 AM
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First, the Sharks cannot assign him to the AHL without (NHL) cap hit.

Second, the new CBA no longer has "re-entry" waivers.
Ahhh... thanks.

And I guess we're stuck with him then. Heh

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Should buy him out anyway and give him some money under the table for robot legs.
I see what you did there.


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06-20-2013, 05:13 AM
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No medical procedure is 100% but sports hernia was a bit lower than regular procedures. It is almost never diagnosed through imaging technology, it is primarily by symptomatology. I have read multiple articles on it by MDs. The treatment stems more from a well developed hypothesis than repeatedly and easily observed abnormality followed by correction (eg regular inguinal hernia). I suspect that this is the why of the lower success rate.

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I followed Cheech past the time when he left the Sharks. I found no further publication of further procedures for him. Gaborik is another who has not been the same since his sports hernia procedures although he is still a very capable NHL player.
I'm pretty sure Nabby had at least 1 and possibly a double surgery and then came back for his Vezina finalist year. Same guy did the surgery.

You are somewhat correct about how it's diagnosed. The symptoms are very obvious and repeatable. The issue is the tendon actually runs from the inner thigh with connectivity all the way up to the area around the belly button. Some days my belly button felt like it was on fire other nothing. The repair had nothing to do with that part of my body though. Once they repaired the tendon in my thigh all the pain was gone.

Only a handful of surgeons perform the corrective surgery. Medical insurance paid for me to go down to Cali for the procedure. It's still a new procedure for non athletes as most primary care physicians won't or can't diagnose it as a sports hernia. They just prescribe physical therapy which only aggravated it in my case.

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06-20-2013, 01:48 PM
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Oh, jeez. I really had no feelings either way about buying out Havlat, but the flexibility of having a decision to make would have been nice. Damn.

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The LTIR will allow the team to increase their limit while he's on it. So they could spend over by the prorated amount depending on the day(s) we're discussing but once he's healthy enough to play, they will have to accommodate for whatever is remaining in his prorated amount for the rest of the season at the regular limit which normally means trading someone off or sending someone to Worcester. Considering his injury, it's unlikely that he will miss the entire season. Probably around New Year's would be my guess but there's very little information other than abdominal surgery.

I don't think buyout was ever going to be an option anyway but I doubt he stays on past his contract unless he really does something impressive when he gets healthy.
Well, technically once he's ready to come off LTIR the team doesn't have to accommodate him. The team is not allowed to reactivate him until they have the necessary cap space, but there's no requirement that a team free up cap space once a LTIR player becomes healthy. If that happens then the player just remains on LTIR.

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Well, technically once he's ready to come off LTIR the team doesn't have to accommodate him. The team is not allowed to reactivate him until they have the necessary cap space, but there's no requirement that a team free up cap space once a LTIR player becomes healthy. If that happens then the player just remains on LTIR.
Isn't that only valid if the player starts the year on IR (or as a non-rostered player)? Even then I think the NR players count against the cap (but not the roster limit).


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Well, technically once he's ready to come off LTIR the team doesn't have to accommodate him. The team is not allowed to reactivate him until they have the necessary cap space, but there's no requirement that a team free up cap space once a LTIR player becomes healthy. If that happens then the player just remains on LTIR.
That's impossible. They're not allowed to have a player that is ready to play on LTIR. That is only applicable to being on IR, not LTIR.

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Well, technically once he's ready to come off LTIR the team doesn't have to accommodate him. The team is not allowed to reactivate him until they have the necessary cap space, but there's no requirement that a team free up cap space once a LTIR player becomes healthy. If that happens then the player just remains on LTIR.
Depending how long he is out, and what the team looks like at the time this might be the best option. Although you would think we could at least trade him for a 3rd or 4th round pick.

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That's impossible. They're not allowed to have a player that is ready to play on LTIR. That is only applicable to being on IR, not LTIR.
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dont feel like trying to wrap my head around the implications. the only thing i can think of is that they were thinking buy out.

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