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06-22-2013, 08:39 AM
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Byfuglien is on Winnipeg, not Vancouver.

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Meant it regarding Byfuglien being 800lbs. No racism intended; he's just really fat for a hockey player.




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I think this coach will make our lines a little more logical.

Line 1:
Kreider-Stepan-Nash. I think that right there will be your first line. They played really well the one game they were assembled against Boston. Then Torts went back to his safe is death campaign and limited Kreider again. For a team that needs offense, that is an incredibly dangerous line.

Line 2:
Hagelin-Miller-Callahan. Miller is a stretch as a center on this line, however, we must again consider the coach. He's not a 3 line coach and he evenly disperses (as much as he can) his lines ice time. Won't be that great of a burden on Miller. Miller also is compared to Kesler in terms of playing style, Kes centered Canucks second line. Eventually this will become a line and stick.

Line 3:
Zucarello-Lindberg-Brassard. Figure that Clowe (who I believe will be resigned) will get some 3rd line burn with Lindberg and Brassard during 5-5 play as well.

Line 4:
Clowe-Boyle-Dorsett. Self explanatory.

Now there are some things that need to be sorted. Lindberg and Miller may need AHL seasoning. Therefore we might need to explore a trade for some offense. Dangling Del Zotto may yield great results. Another option is to kick the tires on Briere or Lecavier.

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06-22-2013, 09:13 AM
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Well, there have been rumours about a trade MDZ for one of the wingers in Edmonton. Who knows...

Otherwise we can always try to trade Staal to Carolina (where he will go as a FA anyway) for the 7th overall and a forward if we get Bieksa
yea these "rumors" are all from posters here hoping for a pipe dream. I could be wrong but i havent seen a source yet thats mentioned MDZ for a forward in Edmonton.

I think it's possible for MDZ to be a part of the trade but people are setting themselves for disappointment if they think they could just add a 3rd and christian thomas. Its gonna take MDZ+++ for eberle or yakupov

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06-22-2013, 09:49 AM
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I think this coach will make our lines a little more logical.

Line 1:
Kreider-Stepan-Nash. I think that right there will be your first line. They played really well the one game they were assembled against Boston. Then Torts went back to his safe is death campaign and limited Kreider again. For a team that needs offense, that is an incredibly dangerous line.

Line 2:
Hagelin-Miller-Callahan. Miller is a stretch as a center on this line, however, we must again consider the coach. He's not a 3 line coach and he evenly disperses (as much as he can) his lines ice time. Won't be that great of a burden on Miller. Miller also is compared to Kesler in terms of playing style, Kes centered Canucks second line. Eventually this will become a line and stick.

Line 3:
Zucarello-Lindberg-Brassard. Figure that Clowe (who I believe will be resigned) will get some 3rd line burn with Lindberg and Brassard during 5-5 play as well.

Line 4:
Clowe-Boyle-Dorsett. Self explanatory.

Now there are some things that need to be sorted. Lindberg and Miller may need AHL seasoning. Therefore we might need to explore a trade for some offense. Dangling Del Zotto may yield great results. Another option is to kick the tires on Briere or Lecavier.
I dont think Brassard as ever played wing in the nhl i believe he always played center..... Zuccarello is more of a RW than LW

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06-22-2013, 09:53 AM
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I think this coach will make our lines a little more logical.

Line 1:
Kreider-Stepan-Nash. I think that right there will be your first line. They played really well the one game they were assembled against Boston. Then Torts went back to his safe is death campaign and limited Kreider again. For a team that needs offense, that is an incredibly dangerous line.

Line 2:
Hagelin-Miller-Callahan. Miller is a stretch as a center on this line, however, we must again consider the coach. He's not a 3 line coach and he evenly disperses (as much as he can) his lines ice time. Won't be that great of a burden on Miller. Miller also is compared to Kesler in terms of playing style, Kes centered Canucks second line. Eventually this will become a line and stick.

Line 3:
Zucarello-Lindberg-Brassard. Figure that Clowe (who I believe will be resigned) will get some 3rd line burn with Lindberg and Brassard during 5-5 play as well.

Line 4:
Clowe-Boyle-Dorsett. Self explanatory.

Now there are some things that need to be sorted. Lindberg and Miller may need AHL seasoning. Therefore we might need to explore a trade for some offense. Dangling Del Zotto may yield great results. Another option is to kick the tires on Briere or Lecavier.
If healthy, I promise you our middle doesn't have two guys who are essentially both rookies. Not going to happen. Clowe isn't signing to be on the 4th line. Brassard doesn't play wing.

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06-22-2013, 10:59 AM
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If Slats thinks the team just needs some tinkering rather than an overhaul, i see this -

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Derek Stepan ($2.700m) / Chris Kreider ($1.325m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.000m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m) / Danny Briere ($2.500m)
Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Mats Zuccarello ($1.000m)
Derek Dorsett ($1.633m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.760m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.300m) / Darroll Powe ($1.067m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($2.700m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
John Moore ($0.965m) / Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m)
Steve Eminger ($0.750m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,066,667; BONUSES: $837,500
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $70,833


this takes into account hagelin/cally missing the first couple of months. After they come back some changes would have to be made. Pyatt moved at the draft for a late pick. Bridge contracts for mcdonagh/stepan/hagelin in the neighborhood of MDZ's (However, factoring that MCD and Hags are arbitration eligible, my numbers might be too conservative).

I think based on slats' comments richards stays another year. Briere 1 yr, 2.5M deal. Clowe 2 yrs, 6M, provided his brains aren't mush. I think slats can get a deal on him because of the injury uncertainty, he'd be getting a lot more on the open market.

Also from what I've heard Lindberg is a dynamite faceoff/defensive dude with offensive upside, start him on the 4th line with some muscle to protect him kinda like Anisimov a couple of years back. Finally MDZ gets another year to prove himself while other D prospects develop. If AV is pushing the right buttons I think the above line-up could go really far, particularly after hags/cally come back.

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06-22-2013, 11:04 AM
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If Slats thinks the team just needs some tinkering rather than an overhaul, i see this -

FORWARDS
Rick Nash ($7.800m) / Derek Stepan ($2.700m) / Chris Kreider ($1.325m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.000m) / Derick Brassard ($3.200m) / Danny Briere ($2.500m)
Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Mats Zuccarello ($1.000m)
Derek Dorsett ($1.633m) / Oscar Lindberg ($0.760m) / Arron Asham ($1.000m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.300m) / Darroll Powe ($1.067m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan McDonagh ($2.700m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($1.700m)
John Moore ($0.965m) / Michael Del Zotto ($2.550m)
Steve Eminger ($0.750m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($1.300m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $65,066,667; BONUSES: $837,500
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $70,833


this takes into account hagelin/cally missing the first couple of months. After they come back some changes would have to be made. Pyatt moved at the draft for a late pick. Bridge contracts for mcdonagh/stepan/hagelin in the neighborhood of MDZ's (However, factoring that MCD and Hags are arbitration eligible, my numbers might be too conservative).

I think based on slats' comments richards stays another year. Briere 1 yr, 2.5M deal. Clowe 2 yrs, 6M, provided his brains aren't mush. I think slats can get a deal on him because of the injury uncertainty, he'd be getting a lot more on the open market.

Also from what I've heard Lindberg is a dynamite faceoff/defensive dude with offensive upside, start him on the 4th line with some muscle to protect him kinda like Anisimov a couple of years back. Finally MDZ gets another year to prove himself while other D prospects develop. If AV is pushing the right buttons I think the above line-up could go really far, particularly after hags/cally come back.
Wait, what?

No way Step or Mac sign for that low. And Callahan and Hagelin on the 5th line? Richards still there?

What is this?

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06-22-2013, 11:18 AM
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Wait, what?

No way Step or Mac sign for that low. And Callahan and Hagelin on the 5th line? Richards still there?

What is this?
Yeah. And you also can't go into the season with 70K in cap space.

Briere is still getting way over 2.5, and McD will get Staal money at the very least.

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06-22-2013, 11:20 AM
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Wait, what?

No way Step or Mac sign for that low. And Callahan and Hagelin on the 5th line? Richards still there?

What is this?
He probably just didn't move them around to form the "lines" on capgeek... and Richards will most likely be here another year.

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06-22-2013, 11:47 AM
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What do they move for Bieksa?

Ryan plays both sides but is maddeningly inconsistent and soft. I would rather look for another return for MDZ.

That's a ton of money tied up on RW.

Trade Pyatt + Bourque for McLeod + 4th 13

Asham for 4th 13

Powe for depth forward to help Hartford

Signings:

Briere - 2 years at 2.5 million per season

Clowe - 3 years at 3.5 million

Hagelin-Stepan-Nash
Clowe-Brassard-Briere
Kreider-Lindberg-Callahan
McLeod-Boyle-Dorsett
Zuccarello

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-MDZ
Moore-Stralman

Hagelin and Callahan will start the year hurt. Briere will miss at minimum 15 games due to injury. Zuccarello will play a lot.
Not a fan of that lineup, looks even worse than this current one IMO. Zuccarello can't possibly be the extra forward when he was a top forward down the stretch and has NHL production pedigree. MDZ can't play the right side. Clowe and Briere aren't reliable top 6 players anymore. Kreider is a borderline NHLer right now.

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Doubt MDZ would be the only decent piece going the other way in a trade for Ryan. Also, you left out Dorsett. Think your lineup would look better with Pyatt-Boyle-Dorsett as the 4th line. Zuc-Lindberg-Cally is a 3rd line I could live with. Also wouldn't touch Clarkson but yeah.
MDZ + Kreider for Ryan is fair value.

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sounds about right, VAN have NO cap flexibility, and there's no other player I could imagine they'd dump for help (cept' poor Ballard of course lol). So they aren't in much of a negotiating position. I'd do Skjei and a 2nd for him any day.
Same here. Skjei will hope to be as good as Bieksa one day. Also helps the Canucks out with their prospect pool on defense. They don't really have much besides Corrado and Tanev.

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MDZ does not hold the value to be the centerpiece in a trade for Yakupov. And why would Edmonton trade him just after drafting him? And they would get a better player for Eberle as well.
Agreed 100%.

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If Vancouver really wants to clear cap space they start with the 800 lb. gorilla.
They'll probably amnesty him if they can't find a trade partner. They still will be tight against the cap IIRC.

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Where is Kreider? I'd rather sign Briere on a short term deal instead of Clarkson.

Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Ryan - Brassard - Briere
Hagelin - Lindberg - MZA
Nystrom - Boyle - Dorset

Staal - Girardi
McD - Bieska
Moore - Stralman
Eminger


This is assuming your Thomas and a 2nd for Bieska and MDZ for Ryan deals. Sign Nystrom for the 4th line. I think that would be a great team. Mix of size, skill, defensive awareness and puck moving ability.
Kreider should be nowhere near the 1rst line. Maybe in the AHL.

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06-22-2013, 12:54 PM
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I don't know about you guys but my goodness we need some nastiness in our D corps. Most teams have that really nasty defenseman that'll muck it up with others, we don't have that. Think we need one, which is why I like the idea of Bieksa. He'd be a bargain with what he brings every night. and when McI is finally called up he can't be the only tough guy on D.

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06-22-2013, 01:21 PM
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I don't know about you guys but my goodness we need some nastiness in our D corps. Most teams have that really nasty defenseman that'll muck it up with others, we don't have that. Think we need one, which is why I like the idea of Bieksa. He'd be a bargain with what he brings every night. and when McI is finally called up he can't be the only tough guy on D.
Agreed. Bieksa may be a flawed player, but he's exciting as hell to watch. I try to emulate his style of play in beer hockey leagues.


He would add some 'swagger' to the defense for sure. He can play the PP, PK, ES.

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Agreed. Bieksa may be a flawed player, but he's exciting as hell to watch. I try to emulate his style of play in beer hockey leagues.


He would add some 'swagger' to the defense for sure. He can play the PP, PK, ES.
i doubt Canucks would trade him... id love to have him on NYR blueline... he is one tough dman... Rangers dont have that but i guess Rangers management doesnt mind putting pressure on McIlrath as the loan tough dman.. how about Peckham from Oilers?? Peckham to NYR for Powe and Asham?? doubt his value is that much...

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Is Raymond a ufa option now?

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Few tidbits of interest to me from AV:
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2 kids that are close, going to prove if they are NHL ready during camp and exhibition.
Who is he talking about? the 4 obvious ones are Miller, Kreider, Fast and Lindberg. But of these 4, Kreider proved in the playoffs that he is NHL ready.
I'll go with Miller and Lindberg. Fast needs more AHL time.

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also what about Mark Fistric? Haven't seen any mentions of him....he hits hard and drops the gloves.

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On the other board, Zenon Konopka can be had for cheap (mid pick/lower prospect, vice versa). Wild needs cap space. = could see happening.

Konopka = our 4C, barely keep up speed, esp. on fast team, but strong good on FOs.

Yes? No?

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IF we were to put our captain on the block with an eye on maximum extortion from Buffalo for their favorite son, what could we expect?

Not saying we definitely do, but is this a rare opportunity to fully exploit?

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Hey Rangers fans, just wondering if you could see a fit between ANA/NYR for Hagelin. Have no idea what your needs would be so that's why I'm asking and not proposing.

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IF we were to put our captain on the block with an eye on maximum extortion from Buffalo for their favorite son, what could we expect?

Not saying we definitely do, but is this a rare opportunity to fully exploit?
We could expect Sather to keep the identity of this team. He wants a more puck possession system... not a dismantling of the teams core. No way Callahan is on the table unless it was a stupid offer (i.e. elite first line center) which isn't likely to happen.

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Hey Rangers fans, just wondering if you could see a fit between ANA/NYR for Hagelin. Have no idea what your needs would be so that's why I'm asking and not proposing.
No. Most fans have no desire to trade him, and I doubt Rangers management does either. His speed is an asset the Rangers have in short supply, he's very good at puck possession, and even though he's up for a new contract, he isn't going to break the bank.

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Fowler for Hagelin ++?

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Another LHD...

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