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06-20-2013, 05:31 AM
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If Morrissey is BPA at 25 we take him.... Then I would be open to moving Beaulieu but until he has played at least a season in the NHL, his value won't be that much

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06-20-2013, 06:17 AM
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Okay....last try involving Beaulieu, let me try again, as my "scenario" is getting more popular by the second....

Beaulieu + 25th to the Flyers for Scott Laughton and 11th. Fills a need for Flyers. Would fill a need for Habs. 11th to 25th...some say it could be anybody. I'd say Timmins would make the best of it.

Logic would suggest Flyers won't do it as Laughton is a pretty good prospect and 11th to 25th is a pretty big leap....but how would the need of d-man prospect would play out for them? Would you have a problem to fill a need of a conference opponent? If so, I'd say that Laughton could also come back in their faces as well.....I know, it leaves a spot on D for us. To which I think we could fill in this draft in the 2nd round. And....what if Nurse falls to 11th? Or Ristolainen? Not Zadorov...he's not a favorite of mine...but some would say he'd be interesting...

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06-20-2013, 06:24 AM
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A more realistic trade proposal would be to remove Laughton out of that proposal. Flyers like Laughton and I doubt they would trade him for Beaulieu straight-up, let alone trade him AND take a leap in the draft order. At that point you'd have to ask yourself, does the player available at #11 have more potential and upside than Beaulieu?

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06-20-2013, 06:39 AM
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Okay here's ANOTHER scenario.....Let say AVS aren't really interested in Jones 'cause they indeed prefer those forwards....but still want to add a d-man prospect during that day....would you trade Nathan Beaulieu for their 32nd? Yes, pick for pick, we lose as it's a 17 for a 32....but a 32 in a great draft....is not a 32. And in the end, the best candidates at 25 might indeed be a d-man. And maybe even at 32 as well. So you get your hands on some great picks, you do take 1 or 2 d-man in the process, Habs are still not without d-men prospects and then add some in the process and maybe would prefer them over Beaulieu....Note that Beaulieu was and still is a favorite prospect of mine....but I'm really wondering how he's perceived for the Habs.

I know the easy answer is no....but I think that on top of the Kristo situation...there might be a Beaulieu situation too.....
Not even close. I'm sure the Habs are not happy about what happened, but he's still a key part of the team's future, trading him for a 2nd round pick would be a terrible deal.

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Philadelphia wouldn't do that, plus it wouldn't make sense to trade Beaulieu right now. Yes the management is probably disappointed in what he did, or they might not be because they know the full story. It wouldn't be good asset management to trade Beaulieu right now. He has developped quite nicely and will only get better, he has the potential to be an elite offensive d-man.

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06-20-2013, 07:15 AM
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Philadelphia wouldn't do that, plus it wouldn't make sense to trade Beaulieu right now. Yes the management is probably disappointed in what he did, or they might not be because they know the full story. It wouldn't be good asset management to trade Beaulieu right now. He has developped quite nicely and will only get better, he has the potential to be an elite offensive d-man.
The whole point of having guys like Mellanby Lapointe and Brisebois isn't to dump guys as soon as they do something wrong or have a rough patch, it's to work with them to become better players and better pro's.

Right?

That's why I can't see MB in a rush to dump guys like LeBlanc Beaulieu or Kristo.

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06-20-2013, 07:28 AM
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Beaulieu is very talented. He is the heir apparent to Markov. Had a great second half in the A last year. Great skater, great vision. He can actually drop the gloves once in a while. Oh, he is 6'3 and will probably top out at 210. Only 20 years old.

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So you get your hands on some great picks, you do take 1 or 2 d-man in the process, Habs are still not without d-men prospects and then add some in the process and maybe would prefer them over Beaulieu....Note that Beaulieu was and still is a favorite prospect of mine....but I'm really wondering how he's perceived for the Habs.
I wouldn't preclude a Beaulieu trade, as per usual all a question of return. I'm not sold on Beaulieu's defensive game, might be more of a PP specialist. He just doesn't make smart decisions in his zone, has always been an issue for him, probably why he slipped to our draft slot -- as I recall, he was slated to be drafted much earlier.

We have the D depth to do it and this draft is forgiving enough for us to nab another quality D if we want to. The X-Factor is exactly as you stated -- does the new Habs management may have a less favorable view of Beaulieu? If so, then he will be used as bait.

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I wouldn't preclude a Beaulieu trade, as per usual all a question of return. I'm not sold on Beaulieu's defensive game, might be more of a PP specialist. He just doesn't make smart decisions in his zone, has always been an issue for him, probably why he slipped to our draft slot -- as I recall, he was slated to be drafted much earlier.

We have the D depth to do it and this draft is forgiving enough for us to nab another quality D if we want to. The X-Factor is exactly as you stated -- does the new Habs management may have a less favorable view of Beaulieu? If so, then he will be used as bait.
At the year-end press conference Bergevin said Beaulieu made the best progress out of anyone in Hamilton this year, management must think pretty highly of him.

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Okay here's ANOTHER scenario.....Let say AVS aren't really interested in Jones 'cause they indeed prefer those forwards....but still want to add a d-man prospect during that day....would you trade Nathan Beaulieu for their 32nd? Yes, pick for pick, we lose as it's a 17 for a 32....but a 32 in a great draft....is not a 32. And in the end, the best candidates at 25 might indeed be a d-man. And maybe even at 32 as well. So you get your hands on some great picks, you do take 1 or 2 d-man in the process, Habs are still not without d-men prospects and then add some in the process and maybe would prefer them over Beaulieu....Note that Beaulieu was and still is a favorite prospect of mine....but I'm really wondering how he's perceived for the Habs.

I know the easy answer is no....but I think that on top of the Kristo situation...there might be a Beaulieu situation too.....
Did that with McDonagh...traded him at 20 when thought he was mistake pick when his value at its lowest, just before he matured. Why do it again? Beaulieu is one of Timmins brainchild, give him a fair chance. Its takes longer for defensemen to mature. '13 better draft its not that better of a draft. To make 32nd worth 17th pick. Plus he is near NHL ready now...32nd pick you looking at 3-4 years before NHL ready

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06-20-2013, 07:51 AM
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I think some of you are underrating Beaulieu. He would still be a first rounder this year, even if this draft class is that good. If anything he dropped to where we got him.

The idea of moving him for the 11th pick is very interesting since there's a good chance Ristolainen could be there, but I'm not sure that move makes much sense for Philly, who just overpaid Streit and need stay at home defensemen more than they need puck movers.

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I think some of you are underrating Beaulieu. He would still be a first rounder this year, even if this draft class is that good. If anything he dropped to where we got him.

The idea of moving him for the 11th pick is very interesting since there's a good chance Ristolainen could be there, but I'm not sure that move makes much sense for Philly, who just overpaid Streit and need stay at home defensemen more than they need puck movers.
Beaulieu could be ready this year. We trade him we have to start the development process all over. No way Nathan gets moved.

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Yeah, moving Beaulieu and Kristo for maybe picks are just really really bad ideas.

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I wouldn't preclude a Beaulieu trade, as per usual all a question of return. I'm not sold on Beaulieu's defensive game, might be more of a PP specialist. He just doesn't make smart decisions in his zone, has always been an issue for him, probably why he slipped to our draft slot -- as I recall, he was slated to be drafted much earlier.

We have the D depth to do it and this draft is forgiving enough for us to nab another quality D if we want to. The X-Factor is exactly as you stated -- does the new Habs management may have a less favorable view of Beaulieu? If so, then he will be used as bait.
How many 20 year old d-men are good defensively in the NHL at that age?

I don't see his defense as an issue going forward, he has the size mobility and hockey sense to be well above average defensively in 2-4 years. His skating and hockey sense already have him close to being an impact guy offensively.

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Beaulieu is very talented. He is the heir apparent to Markov. Had a great second half in the A last year. Great skater, great vision. He can actually drop the gloves once in a while. Oh, he is 6'3 and will probably top out at 210. Only 20 years old.
I dought that, seems more like 6'1

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10 days....

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10 days....
Can't wait. It is going to be so awesome with all our picks

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At the year-end press conference Bergevin said Beaulieu made the best progress out of anyone in Hamilton this year, management must think pretty highly of him.
We've seen management types make positive statements about certain players, only to see them getting traded at an opportune time. Beaulieu is not an untouchable.

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Okay....last try involving Beaulieu, let me try again, as my "scenario" is getting more popular by the second....

Beaulieu + 25th to the Flyers for Scott Laughton and 11th. Fills a need for Flyers. Would fill a need for Habs. 11th to 25th...some say it could be anybody. I'd say Timmins would make the best of it.
I'd do that without thinking twice. I like Beaulieu but I'm still not as sold on him as some people here are. Although management seems to be high on him, as others have pointed out.

Either way I wouldn't start calling him untouchable or the "heir apparent to Markov". He has a long way to go before I put him on that level.

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I tell you, I think last year or the year before, he had the the 10 or the first 15 names...I hated it. As far as estimated time...unless they change the formula because it's one day, it takes 3 hours for the 1st round. And when it starts at 9AM the day after for the rest, didn't it take at least 4 hours to complete at least? So I'm going with a minimum of 7 hours. A 3-10 show.
That's what I was thinking. 6-7 hours.

I hope they're able to get the interviews after they're drafted. Though those
Reporters ask the same damn question just worded differently.

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How many 20 year old d-men are good defensively in the NHL at that age?
How many Ds in this draft are defensively responsible? It's never been a part of his game. They've tried to address it at several stages of his development and it's always lagged. Can it be fixed -- who knows. If we have an opportunity to convert him for an asset we really want, why not. No one is suggesting that we should just give him away. All a matter of what the return would be.

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McKenzie estimated he'd be on the air continuously for 7 hours in one of his tweets, so I think 3-10 is a pretty reasonable guess.

Has TSN confirmed yet how they're going to present the draft? I saw RDS is showing the first 2 rounds and then moving to RIS...I expect TSN to do a similar thing, hopefully switching to TSN2 instead of NHL Network since I dropped the latter.

In any event the coverage of the later rounds is terrible and I always wind up ignoring it and refreshing HF/NHL.com like a madman anyway. But I'm hoping if TSN sticks with it we'll get better than what we got from the NHL Network...

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How many 20 year old d-men are good defensively in the NHL at that age?

I don't see his defense as an issue going forward, he has the size mobility and hockey sense to be well above average defensively in 2-4 years. His skating and hockey sense already have him close to being an impact guy offensively.
Agreed. I just wish he would clear some of those cobwebs out of his head. he seems to stand around watching way too much.

Anyways I agree we should keep him and hope he matures.

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I'd do that without thinking twice. I like Beaulieu but I'm still not as sold on him as some people here are. Although management seems to be high on him, as others have pointed out.

Either way I wouldn't start calling him untouchable or the "heir apparent to Markov". He has a long way to go before I put him on that level.
Thers no way I trade a prospect like Beaulieu to Philly.

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Thers no way I trade a prospect like Beaulieu to Philly.
I'd trade him to Boston if the return was good enough, no sense limiting your trading partners like that.

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