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06-20-2013, 09:54 AM
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Andrei Markov

I realize this topic won't make my fellow Habs fans happy, but it's time to move our PP quarterback, so what could our aging Maestro nab on the open market??...here's a starter I was pondering:

To Carolina:

Andrei Markov (+ a later pick, if needed)


To Montreal:

Jamie McBain + 2013 #35 pick + 2013 #66 pick



How's the starter??

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I realize this topic won't make my fellow Habs fans happy, but it's time to move our PP quarterback, so what could our aging Maestro nab on the open market??...here's a starter I was pondering:

To Carolina:

Andrei Markov (+ a later pick, if needed)


To Montreal:

Jamie McBain + 2013 #35 pick + 2013 #66 pick



How's the starter??



Sounds about right coming from a habs fan. A young defenceman(good one at that) a second and third round pick for a injury prone, aging defenceman on the last year of his contract. Counter offer will be a fourth round for Markov and the habs eat half his salary?? Better??

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06-20-2013, 10:00 AM
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I realize this topic won't make my fellow Habs fans happy, but it's time to move our PP quarterback, so what could our aging Maestro nab on the open market??...here's a starter I was pondering:

To Carolina:

Andrei Markov (+ a later pick, if needed)


To Montreal:

Jamie McBain + 2013 #35 pick + 2013 #66 pick



How's the starter??
Didn't someone just recently propose this deal?

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06-20-2013, 10:16 AM
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No real interest in moving Markov for a couple reasons:

1 - When utilized correctly there is not a better player in the league at what he does well.
2 - He's been a life long Hab, taken discounts, and always been loyal to the team and the city.
3 - He has a NTC and I asking him to waive when he's been a good soldier is ridiculous.

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Jamie McBain, Pick #35, Pick #126 and 2014 4th rounder for Andrei Markov and Yannik Weber.

I dont think Markov is worth a young offensive D-man, high 2nd and 3rd round pick. McBain, high 2nd and next years pick for Markov and then the 5th for Weber.

I would be ok with this deal.

Josh Gorges - PK Subban
Alexei Emelin - Jamie McBain
Jarred Tinordi - Rafael Diaz
- Francis Bouillon and Davis Drewiske

Pretty solid defense plus picks.

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Jamie McBain, Pick #35, Pick #126 and 2014 4th rounder for Andrei Markov and Yannik Weber.

I dont think Markov is worth a young offensive D-man, high 2nd and 3rd round pick. McBain, high 2nd and next years pick for Markov and then the 5th for Weber.

I would be ok with this deal.

Josh Gorges - PK Subban
Alexei Emelin - Jamie McBain
Jarred Tinordi - Rafael Diaz
- Francis Bouillon and Davis Drewiske

Pretty solid defense plus picks.
Awful, McBain is just as soft as Markov and brings 1/10th of what Andrei brings to the locker room. Plus, Markov knows Montreal, great in the media and locker room. Dumb to trade him unless he wants a crack at the cup, but he has not shown any desire to retire soon and still has probably 5 years left in him.

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Sounds about right coming from a habs fan. A young defenceman(good one at that) a second and third round pick for a injury prone, aging defenceman on the last year of his contract. Counter offer will be a fourth round for Markov and the habs eat half his salary?? Better??
McBain isn't all that good. He's actually been pretty terrible lately and his work ethic and fitness could use some serious work. I don't think the Hurricanes would want to include the #35 pick, though. Markov is a UFA in a year (I think) and he's not exactly youthful or durable.

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Markov isn't going anywhere for the start of the year anyways, if things don't go very well we trade him during the season next year close to the trade deadline. Look at what the Leafs got for Kaberle, Habs should get about the same maybe a little more since he can actually play solid D

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If we can trade for or sign a good partner for Subban then Markov should stay.

He's still a top 4 d-mean easy. More like the best #3 you can find anywhere or an average #2.

He needs 2nd pairing minutes and PP time. Let Subban and his partner do all the leg work and watch Markov flourish again.

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Awful, McBain is just as soft as Markov and brings 1/10th of what Andrei brings to the locker room. Plus, Markov knows Montreal, great in the media and locker room. Dumb to trade him unless he wants a crack at the cup, but he has not shown any desire to retire soon and still has probably 5 years left in him.
Except McBain is 10 years younger, paid less, isnt a UFA in a year and is a right handed shot.

Maybe Montreal can squeeze out something a bit more than the 4th round that I suggested but not much more.

Kaberle was traded for Joe Colborne, late 1st and 2nd rounder.

Markov for Jamie McBain, early 2nd and 4th isnt exactly in the wrong ball park considering Markov is older and has an injury passed.

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Except McBain is 10 years younger, paid less, isnt a UFA in a year and is a right handed shot.

Maybe Montreal can squeeze out something a bit more than the 4th round that I suggested but not much more.

Kaberle was traded for Joe Colborne, late 1st and 2nd rounder.

Markov for Jamie McBain, early 2nd and 4th isnt exactly in the wrong ball park considering Markov is older and has an injury passed
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You need to consider one major difference.

Kaberle went to a real serious contender to win it all so they were willing to overpay. No one will consider Carolina a real contender to win it all so why would they do this???

The best plan is for the habs to wait until deadline day, if they are in it, he stays. If they are out of it, try moving him to a contender......

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It's not time to move him, and I think especially at the returns you'll be offered here. At least wait until the trade deadline, anyway, see if the Habs are out of it, or if somebody like Diaz has really stepped up strong. But it's a total non-starter to think about trading him now.

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You need to consider one major difference.

Kaberle went to a real serious contender to win it all so they were willing to overpay. No one will consider Carolina a real contender to win it all so why would they do this???

The best plan is for the habs to wait until deadline day, if they are in it, he stays. If they are out of it, try moving him to a contender......
I agree completely.

But this is fair value. We can probably get more from a contender who wants a rental but from Carolina, this is a solid deal for Markov.

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Sounds about right coming from a habs fan. A young defenceman(good one at that) a second and third round pick for a injury prone, aging defenceman on the last year of his contract. Counter offer will be a fourth round for Markov and the habs eat half his salary?? Better??
Sounds about right coming from someone on crazy pills. A guy who finished top 5 in dman scoring is worthless.

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Why not trade him now while his value is high instead of waiting until the trade deadline and trying to decide whether it's finally time while more than likely fighting for a playoff spot (I tend to think that we will be in a dogfight for a playoff spot by then and in no way ready to cut him loose)...we have other PMDs that could help fill Markov's shoes (PK now, Diaz on the 2nd PP, Beaulieu very soon)...if we can get a younger offensive Dman like McBain and a half-decent early pick (maybe the 2nd & the 3rd was a bit much, but there's no way Markov is worth less than McBain & pick #35 this year, he's still an elite PP quarterback & PMD), why not let the young kids take the wheel and run with it??...

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Awful, McBain is just as soft as Markov and brings 1/10th of what Andrei brings to the locker room. Plus, Markov knows Montreal, great in the media and locker room. Dumb to trade him unless he wants a crack at the cup, but he has not shown any desire to retire soon and still has probably 5 years left in him.

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Why not trade him now while his value is high instead of waiting until the trade deadline and trying to decide whether it's finally time while more than likely fighting for a playoff spot (I tend to think that we will be in a dogfight for a playoff spot by then and in no way ready to cut him loose)...we have other PMDs that could help fill Markov's shoes (PK now, Diaz on the 2nd PP, Beaulieu very soon)...if we can get a younger offensive Dman like McBain and a half-decent early pick (maybe the 2nd & the 3rd was a bit much, but there's no way Markov is worth less than McBain & pick #35 this year, he's still an elite PP quarterback & PMD), why not let the young kids take the wheel and run with it??...
Im with you on this. We are the minority but we are not alone.

McBain is good on the powerplay, younger, cheaper and a right handed D.

The powerplay shouldnt be an issue.

Pacioretty - Plekanec - Gallagher
Subban - Diaz

Bourque - Eller - Galchenyuk
McBain - Desharnais

The 35th pick gives us 3 high seconds in a row!!!

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Why not trade him now while his value is high instead of waiting until the trade deadline and trying to decide whether it's finally time while more than likely fighting for a playoff spot (I tend to think that we will be in a dogfight for a playoff spot by then and in no way ready to cut him loose)...we have other PMDs that could help fill Markov's shoes (PK now, Diaz on the 2nd PP, Beaulieu very soon)...if we can get a younger offensive Dman like McBain and a half-decent early pick (maybe the 2nd & the 3rd was a bit much, but there's no way Markov is worth less than McBain & pick #35 this year, he's still an elite PP quarterback & PMD), why not let the young kids take the wheel and run with it??...
Because the club has changed over the coaching staff and management and is tryign to build a new culture where the team is first and all that jazz. Trading away a leader for no reason when he was instrumental to the turn around of the club is just dumb.

Sometimes there are more important things than just trying to trade players for the sake of it. There is no good reason to trade Markov, none that I can imagine. At least nothign realistic.

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It's not time to move him, and I think especially at the returns you'll be offered here. At least wait until the trade deadline, anyway, see if the Habs are out of it, or if somebody like Diaz has really stepped up strong. But it's a total non-starter to think about trading him now.
If Markov is playing well we won't be out of it, you're just playing Catch-22 with us.

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Because the club has changed over the coaching staff and management and is tryign to build a new culture where the team is first and all that jazz. Trading away a leader for no reason when he was instrumental to the turn around of the club is just dumb.

Sometimes there are more important things than just trying to trade players for the sake of it. There is no good reason to trade Markov, none that I can imagine. At least nothing realistic.
But there is good reason to trade him now; his value...I know most Habs fans don't want to believe this, but I honestly can't see us resigning Markov after next year, since our D corps are our deepest asset...and we're not going to trade him in the middle of a dogfight to make the playoffs (which is where we're likely to be at the deadline)...and we can pick up a damn good pick in a damn good draft that can help us address our weaknesses down the road while not losing a Dman right now (and in fact gaining a righty, something we need more than lefties right now)...listen, I like Markov, he's been a fantastic Dman for us for alot of years, but it's time to go forward...

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