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08-28-2013, 02:44 AM
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Jay Bouwmeester on Team Canada

TSN is predicting Bouwmeester to make Team Canada. Looking back, do you think we got enough - Mark Cundari, Reto Berra, and Emile Poirer - for J-Bouw?

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08-28-2013, 02:53 AM
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If bouw makes it, its because of chemistry with piet.

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I can't see him making it other than on name recognition. He's too slow, poor defensively, and his offensive skills are overrated. We, as Flames fans, should know this.

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08-28-2013, 03:37 AM
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See how Cundari and Berra play this season first.

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I can't see him making it other than on name recognition. He's too slow, poor defensively, and his offensive skills are overrated. We, as Flames fans, should know this.
He is actually very good. J-Bo is one of the faster Dmen in the league. He is not poor defensively, he constantly played against top lines every night. . Under the right circumstances, he is a very effective player. The only thing that made him overrated was his contract.


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In all honestly, I think JayBo will do wonders on international ice. It's not as physical as NHL ice, so that will be an advantage to him. He is a tremendous skater (which is a must, even Yzerman said it), very smart, and is quite good defensively. I really hope he makes it.


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08-28-2013, 06:39 AM
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I can't see him making it other than on name recognition. He's too slow, poor defensively, and his offensive skills are overrated. We, as Flames fans, should know this.
If anything he makes it because of his skating. People really need to watch him play.

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I can't see him making it other than on name recognition. He's too slow, poor defensively, and his offensive skills are overrated. We, as Flames fans, should know this.
You clearly never watched a Flames game in your life.

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I'm willing to see how the pieces got back perform. Its blatantly obvious though that Feaster is awful at assessing trade value.

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I'm willing to see how the pieces got back perform. Its blatantly obvious though that Feaster is awful at assessing trade value.
Clearly not a true fan.

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Didn't get enough? You have said multiple times that you would have given Jbo away for free as many "fans" of this team also said. There is such a short list of people who didn't think Jbo was bad that almost no one could criticize what Feaster got back.

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I can't see him making it other than on name recognition. He's too slow, poor defensively, and his offensive skills are overrated. We, as Flames fans, should know this.
Wat?

His best attribute is his skating and speed, he is also very very solid in his own zone.

Team Canada also wants to take players who play D responsibly and not all OFD's like Letang.

I can see him making it, its pathetic how badly Butter treated him. At least Hartley let him improve so we could get SOMETHING for him.

Either way the return was pretty paltry.

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Wat?

His best attribute is his skating and speed, he is also very very solid in his own zone.
Not to mention Rob Kerr was never able to go an entire broadcast without mentioning "that smooth, deceptive stride" at least thrice. I think he might make it, but I don't think that this effects our evaluation of his return at the trade deadline in the slightest. We got two very good young players and a very good prospect. None of those guys are at their prime, yet. We should save "looking back" until they have. Either way, the package of three is better for us than Bouwmeester right now.

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JayBo was a beast under Hartley.. Really wish we would have canned Sutter earlier, never got to see Jays potential.

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JayBo was a beast under Hartley.. Really wish we would have canned Sutter earlier, never got to see Jays potential.
Agreed. If things had been different Bouw could have been a real stud for us that whole time.

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You clearly never watched a Flames game in your life.
I'm going to assume he was posting sarcastically, although, it was posted by MtM so who knows, anywho, Jbo is a beast and would be for Canada, it was his contract that was difficult to move, not the player himself.

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I bet Jbo makes it, we saw last season what a fantastic dman he was. I'm still mad we traded him over Gio, but I understand why that was decided.

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I bet Jbo makes it, we saw last season what a fantastic dman he was. I'm still mad we traded him over Gio, but I understand why that was decided.
I also suspect there was a good chance JBouw wasn't interested in re-signing with us.

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He's gonna carry his curse T the Olympics! !!

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TSN is predicting Bouwmeester to make Team Canada. Looking back, do you think we got enough - Mark Cundari, Reto Berra, and Emile Poirer - for J-Bouw?
Haha no. Even at the time it was a pretty crap trade. The alleged Detroit trade (2 high level prospects and a 2nd) probably would've been better, or if the Flames had been willing to eat a million or so in cap, they could've gotten a real return for him.

My main issue is Berra: an older non-NHL goalie who never had great stats, even in lower Euro leagues, was apparently a big deal to Feaster. I'd rather have had a 3rd round pick in place of him, to be honest.

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Haha no. Even at the time it was a pretty crap trade. The alleged Detroit trade (2 high level prospects and a 2nd) probably would've been better, or if the Flames had been willing to eat a million or so in cap, they could've gotten a real return for him.
These are, as you say, allegations.

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My main issue is Berra: an older non-NHL goalie who never had great stats, even in lower Euro leagues, was apparently a big deal to Feaster. I'd rather have had a 3rd round pick in place of him, to be honest.
First of all, he isn't older at all. He is 26, which is about the time a lot of NHL goalies typically make their breakthrough. Also, you haven't seen him play yet.

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Haha no. Even at the time it was a pretty crap trade. The alleged Detroit trade (2 high level prospects and a 2nd) probably would've been better, or if the Flames had been willing to eat a million or so in cap, they could've gotten a real return for him.

My main issue is Berra: an older non-NHL goalie who never had great stats, even in lower Euro leagues, was apparently a big deal to Feaster. I'd rather have had a 3rd round pick in place of him, to be honest.
Several scouts are very high on Berra, including Hartley who coached against him, said he was an absolute terror to play against, his numbers weren't great because he played on the absolute worst team in the league and made them respectable, you'd think Flames fan would understand what that might do to a goalies numbers.

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Haha no. Even at the time it was a pretty crap trade. The alleged Detroit trade (2 high level prospects and a 2nd) probably would've been better, or if the Flames had been willing to eat a million or so in cap, they could've gotten a real return for him.

My main issue is Berra: an older non-NHL goalie who never had great stats, even in lower Euro leagues, was apparently a big deal to Feaster. I'd rather have had a 3rd round pick in place of him, to be honest.
I don't necessarily think it was solely Feaster. As mentioned above me I'm sure Hartley had a big say, I also imagine Weisbrod was in Feaster's ear about the players returned in the two big trades.

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First of all, he isn't older at all. He is 26, which is about the time a lot of NHL goalies typically make their breakthrough. Also, you haven't seen him play yet.
That is older for a guy who's never been anywhere near the NHL (or AHL). And no I haven't, but how about this: I'll bet you five bucks he falls on his ass rather than ending up a legit NHL starter.

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Several scouts are very high on Berra, including Hartley who coached against him, said he was an absolute terror to play against, his numbers weren't great because he played on the absolute worst team in the league and made them respectable, you'd think Flames fan would understand what that might do to a goalies numbers.
I've seen Kiprusoff have off games/weeks/seasons and people blame the team on him letting in soft goals, yup.

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I don't necessarily think it was solely Feaster. As mentioned above me I'm sure Hartley had a big say, I also imagine Weisbrod was in Feaster's ear about the players returned in the two big trades.
True. I just say Feaster as he's the GM, but it would've been primarily at the behest of his staff.

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That is older for a guy who's never been anywhere near the NHL (or AHL). And no I haven't, but how about this: I'll bet you five bucks he falls on his ass rather than ending up a legit NHL starter.
He's been playing pro in a different league. Damien Brunner was another Swiss guy who waited just as long to make the transition. The only difference is Berra was actually in the Blues' system.

And no, to go along with Poirier and Cundari, I don't need a guy who has good odds to become a legit starter, which taking your bet would imply. He does have a chance, which is good enough to justify him as a solid throw-in to this deal. He's not the focal piece of the deal. The first round pick was, and adding Cundari could be an overlooked move for our defence. The best thing I can say about this deal is that the Flames are unafraid to make moves based on what their scouts see and where they see their needs, as opposed to looking up potential ratings on HF boards for answers and trying to gain the approval of bloggers and forum-members everywhere.

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