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Flames listening to offers for Tanguay, Stempniak and Sarich

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06-28-2013, 11:54 AM
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This thread goes to show you that what the fans expect and want in Calgary is a lot different than what Feaster is up to. That or Tanguay was overrated by fans.
Fans of other teams were happily offering more than what we got in return.

This is a case of Feaster being absolutely terrible at getting fair value in trade.

Iginla
Bouw
Tanguay

How many times is he going to have to get a poor return, before they realize this guy cant shake out a fair deal.

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06-28-2013, 12:01 PM
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Fans of other teams were happily offering more than what we got in return.

This is a case of Feaster being absolutely terrible at getting fair value in trade.

Iginla
Bouw
Tanguay

How many times is he going to have to get a poor return, before they realize this guy cant shake out a fair deal.
Just because fans are offering more does not mean GM's are. Feaster may not have got what you guys expected, but there might not have been a large market for these two guys.

Iggy put you guys in a tough situation. JBOUW I think you could have gotten more for though.

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06-28-2013, 12:01 PM
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Fans of other teams were happily offering more than what we got in return.

This is a case of Feaster being absolutely terrible at getting fair value in trade.

Iginla
Bouw
Tanguay

How many times is he going to have to get a poor return, before they realize this guy cant shake out a fair deal.
I totally agree. Especially the fact that you are rebuilding, you are better off picks than someone like David Jones.

I have a feeling the GMs around the league don't think very highly of him or give him respect. I don't think he commands the package he wants, therefore, always getting less.

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People are forgetting the last 4 players he moved had some sort of NTC/NMC. That can really handcuff a GM.

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Fans of other teams were happily offering more than what we got in return.

This is a case of Feaster being absolutely terrible at getting fair value in trade.

Iginla
Bouw
Tanguay

How many times is he going to have to get a poor return, before they realize this guy cant shake out a fair deal.
We wont know how feaster faired in these deals for a couple of years. Unfortunately nhl scouts have spent more time watching players like hanowski, agostino and berra than any of us have.

As a flame fan, i am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until all of these players have failed.

This was a good deal for calgary and colorado. Both addressed current needs.

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Fans of other teams were happily offering more than what we got in return.

This is a case of Feaster being absolutely terrible at getting fair value in trade.

Iginla
Bouw
Tanguay

How many times is he going to have to get a poor return, before they realize this guy cant shake out a fair deal.
Since when do fans of other teams determine market value?

I think Feaster got what he could. Helped your roster get younger, grittier, and started moving Calgary toward a rebuild.

IMO, things will be looking up for Calgary shortly.

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06-28-2013, 12:24 PM
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Ugh, you called it. I like the SOB for Sarich component, but I'm not a fan of Jones at all.

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Fans of other teams were happily offering more than what we got in return.
Oh well then. If the fans of other teams (or more likely, one fan of another team) say they would have given more, clearly they're just sockpuppets for the scouting staff or general managers of another team, and Feaster is a moron.

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06-28-2013, 12:28 PM
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Fans of other teams were happily offering more than what we got in return.

This is a case of Feaster being absolutely terrible at getting fair value in trade.

Iginla
Bouw
Tanguay

How many times is he going to have to get a poor return, before they realize this guy cant shake out a fair deal.

These guys all had NMCs or NTCs. I don't think people realize how negatively these clauses affect return. You essentially take a market of 30 teams and narrow it down to a market of 5 or so teams.

The market right now for vets is abysmal to begin with. There's a reason why guys like J. Jokinen get thrown on waivers, and no one picks them up. Add in a NTC/NMC and you have an absolute disaster.

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06-28-2013, 12:33 PM
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Just because fans are offering more does not mean GM's are. Feaster may not have got what you guys expected, but there might not have been a large market for these two guys.
This cannot be reiterated enough.

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06-28-2013, 12:48 PM
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http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/cgy130619.html




A few years too late but it looks like were blowing it up hardcore this off season.
Good call by The Fourth Period on callings Tangs and Sarich being on the market, I usually take these rumors as complete BS, either he is a good guesser or he actually has some decent connections.

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What is Stempniak's current value; what would the Flames be looking back for him?

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Ugh, you called it. I like the SOB for Sarich component, but I'm not a fan of Jones at all.
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Oh well then. If the fans of other teams (or more likely, one fan of another team) say they would have given more, clearly they're just sockpuppets for the scouting staff or general managers of another team, and Feaster is a moron.

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It was a reply directly to the person I quoted, saying FLAMES FANS had over-inflated their predicted return for Tangs, I was pointing out that so did everyone else.

****ing christ.

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It was a reply directly to the person I quoted, saying FLAMES FANS had over-inflated their predicted return for Tangs, I was pointing out that so did everyone else.

****ing christ.
Why did people think he'd generate a good return? He was pretty brutal last year. Despite getting loads of top-line minutes and PP time he only managed 27 points in 40 games. And was awful defensively.

The team looked a lot better after he got injured and was out of the lineup. I think some people remember him as the solid player he used to be and not what he now is.

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What is Stempniak's current value; what would the Flames be looking back for him?

We all said a 2nd during the season.

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06-28-2013, 02:29 PM
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We all said a 2nd during the season.
feaster wont get that.... not even close...

i love stepniak... and i hope he resigns...

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Just goes to show that NTC's are evil

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Why did people think he'd generate a good return? He was pretty brutal last year. Despite getting loads of top-line minutes and PP time he only managed 27 points in 40 games. And was awful defensively.

The team looked a lot better after he got injured and was out of the lineup. I think some people remember him as the solid player he used to be and not what he now is.
Yeah 55 point pace on one of the worst teams in the league isn't that bad.

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Based on Feaster's trades over the last couple years, I'm guessing Stempniak is available for a 15-goal winger that's around ~27-28 year old and 2 inches taller than Lee...

Half of my fellow Flames fans will applaud us getting "younger and bigger", since these would be the only visible metrics that the trade was an improvement.

...Having said that, Stempniak is a marginal, streaky scoring option on a poor team, I doubt the price is much higher than a 4th or equivalent value.

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Realistically values

Cammaleri:Late first
Tanguay:2nd,or 3rd plus decent prospect
Stempniak:2nd, or 3rd plus decent prospect
Sarich:5th
Yet example of how UNREALISTIC fans perceptions of their team's player value is.


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We don't want cap junk unless there is an asset coming with it. Why would we trade you a useful player for your buy-out targets? Jones=Kotalik. We had to move a 2nd rounder to trade Kotalik. Interesting article on Jones and it got much, much worse this year:

http://nhlnumbers.com/2012/6/11/last...to-bank-sville
Hahahaha .... the irony is amazing .....

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Fans of other teams were happily offering more than what we got in return.

This is a case of Feaster being absolutely terrible at getting fair value in trade.

Iginla
Bouw
Tanguay

How many times is he going to have to get a poor return, before they realize this guy cant shake out a fair deal.
Do you realize how silly you appear ....?
The guy who suggested the Tanguay for Jones trade had it valued correctly.
The returns for Iginla, JBow and Tanguay were market value otherwise Feaster would have received greater returns. It is the fans who have overvalued their player worth.

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Do you realize how silly you appear ....?
The guy who suggested the Tanguay for Jones trade had it valued correctly.
The returns for Iginla, JBow and Tanguay were market value otherwise Feaster would have received greater returns. It is the fans who have overvalued their player worth.
You should really pay more attention. You don't even know what my post is about do you?

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You should really pay more attention. You don't even know what my post is about do you?
He made three consecutive posts laughing at separate Flames fans posts so I'm gonna guess no.

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These guys all had NMCs or NTCs. I don't think people realize how negatively these clauses affect return. You essentially take a market of 30 teams and narrow it down to a market of 5 or so teams.

The market right now for vets is abysmal to begin with. There's a reason why guys like J. Jokinen get thrown on waivers, and no one picks them up. Add in a NTC/NMC and you have an absolute disaster.
Sure, if you're a Flames player.

Meanwhile, Dallas was able to get a blue chip prospect in J.Morrow by trading B.Morrow.

It's always hilarious to watch people fervently blame NTC/NMC's for poor returns when other GM's don't seem to be so handcuffed by them.

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