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06-19-2013, 06:45 PM
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I recall hearing this proposal a while ago, not sure if was on this site (If it is feel free to delete this).



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Not sure if anything needs to be added, but it just seems to tend to both sides weaknesses, assuming if Lindholm or Monahan are still on the board

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06-19-2013, 06:51 PM
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Pretty sure it was Gardiner not Rielly

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For Lindholm... MAYBE

I like Monahan but I wouldn't trade Rielly for him.

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Rielly was #5 last year. So i am sure it does not address our needs. Ivwould hate to giveup on gards even for 7th. Chances are against the 7th even being a fulltime nhler. Gardiner has far exceeded his expectations already.

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For Lindholm... MAYBE

I like Monahan but I wouldn't trade Rielly for him.
Monahan is pretty good TBH. seen him live a lot, real deal.

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Not happening. If TB or Fla want him we'll add for Barkov if we really want that center

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I recall hearing this proposal a while ago, not sure if was on this site (If it is feel free to delete this).



7th Overall



Morgan Reilly

Not sure if anything needs to be added, but it just seems to tend to both sides weaknesses, assuming if Lindholm or Monahan are still on the board
Leafs say no. Rielly may have equal value to a guy like Lindholm but Rielly has that extra year of development and I think holds a bit more value. Wouldn't trade Rielly for a draft pick unless it was in the top 4 this year.

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06-19-2013, 07:09 PM
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would only trade Reilly for a top 2 pick. And a trade for Jones is lateral at best. Reilly has an extra year of development too...Pointless for the leafs

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would only trade Reilly for a top 2 pick. And a trade for Jones is lateral at best. Reilly has an extra year of development too...Pointless for the leafs
Well if Reilly and Jones are about even in value than I have been MASSIVELY underrating Reilly

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Well if Reilly and Jones are about even in value than I have been MASSIVELY underrating Reilly
It's okay, it happens to all of us

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would only trade Reilly for a top 2 pick. And a trade for Jones is lateral at best. Reilly has an extra year of development too...Pointless for the leafs
Jones has a higher upside by all accounts. You must dream this stuff up because i never agree with you. Not a lateral move.

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Reilly is a great prospect, but if the Oilers are moving the pick or dropping far in the draft, I'd hope it would be for immediate help.

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No way. Rielly has been progressing nicely. Only way I move Rielly or Gardiner is for a top 4 pick with the selection being one of Mac or Barkov.

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Well if Reilly and Jones are about even in value than I have been MASSIVELY underrating Reilly
you have, he's gonna be a stud, hence why I'm not trading him

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Id do this deal. By all accounts the 3 forwards at 7 have top line upside and Nurse has top pairing upside. So Id want to get a guy like Reilly who has top pairing upside. To be fair, its not like Reilly blew away anyone this year with his progression (not to the extent Trouba has) so I dont think his value has went up that much. And with the top 10 being deeper this year is roughly a 5,6, or 7th pick. In those spots Lindholm/Monahan/Nischuskin are all be talked about equally

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would only trade Reilly for a top 2 pick. And a trade for Jones is lateral at best. Reilly has an extra year of development too...Pointless for the leafs
I almost read this post as saying a trade between Reilly and Seth Jones is lateral at best, I think my eyes are tired after work. I think you mean Nurse

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Reilly is a great prospect, but if the Oilers are moving the pick or dropping far in the draft, I'd hope it would be for immediate help.
I agree. IF something like this went down the Oilers would be more interested in Gardiner for your reason, and because Eakins worked extensively with him and is known to be very high on him.

On the Leafs end, we just drafted Rielly, he's been progressing well, and management was spouting all "we'd have taken him 1st OA" crap. Liles is a decent enough stop gap until Rielly is ready.

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No way. Rielly has been progressing nicely. Only way I move Rielly or Gardiner is for a top 4 pick with the selection being one of Mac or Barkov.
All baseless, but it could be that Tampa/Florida/Nashville IF willing to move the pick said they wouldn't drop more than x number of spots. So Nonis says "if I can turn Gardiner into the #7 pick, what else am I going to have to add to it?"

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I almost read this post as saying a trade between Reilly and Seth Jones is lateral at best, I think my eyes are tired after work. I think you mean Nurse
I meant it exactly as I wrote it

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Morgan Reilly

Not sure if anything needs to be added, but it just seems to tend to both sides weaknesses, assuming if Lindholm or Monahan are still on the board
I would make that deal but only if one of Monahan or Lindholm are there. Rielly has an extra year of development, but Monahan is also more physically mature than him and could possibly play in the NHL from a physical standpoint next year. Lindholm has already been playing with men and could also play in the AHL if not the NHL right away. I think Rielly is back in the WHL next year based on what I saw of him with the Marlies. Valuewise I believe they are about equal.


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Id do this deal. By all accounts the 3 forwards at 7 have top line upside and Nurse has top pairing upside. So Id want to get a guy like Reilly who has top pairing upside. To be fair, its not like Reilly blew away anyone this year with his progression (not to the extent Trouba has) so I dont think his value has went up that much. And with the top 10 being deeper this year is roughly a 5,6, or 7th pick. In those spots Lindholm/Monahan/Nischuskin are all be talked about equally
Rielly fell to #5 because of concerns about his knee. He has thus far proven everyone wrong about that, which automatically makes him more valuable knowing what we know now. He also played on a terrible Moose Jaw team and contributed a significant amount of offence to that team, so maybe you are just looking at point totals and drawing conclusions.

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It is going to be for Gardiner not Reilly.

And for all the Leaf fans saying the value isn't close. How else do you expect to get a #1 center...

You have to give to get, D is one of your strengths and Rielly will likely be better than Gardiner.

Look at it from our POV. We are giving up one of Monahan, Lindholm, Nicushkin, Nurse for a young D that has been inconsistent and has already had concussion issues.

Not knocking the kid, but you have to check both pros and cons.

There is way more risk from Edmonton's side.

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I'f rather deal Franson + 21 for #7.

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I'd rather have Gardiner
We need players who can help now
Although I have no idea why T.O would trade Gardiner for a pick

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Id do this deal. By all accounts the 3 forwards at 7 have top line upside and Nurse has top pairing upside. So Id want to get a guy like Reilly who has top pairing upside. To be fair, its not like Reilly blew away anyone this year with his progression (not to the extent Trouba has) so I dont think his value has went up that much. And with the top 10 being deeper this year is roughly a 5,6, or 7th pick. In those spots Lindholm/Monahan/Nischuskin are all be talked about equally
Don't take this as trying start anything, but I have disagree about Rielly's progression not blowing anyone away. A defenseman putting up 54 points in 60 games on a SERIOUSLY weak team is damn impressive.

For what it's worth HF ranks Rielly as the top D prospect who hasn't played in the NHL yet (only hamilton and schultz ahead of him). We finally have a prospect that HF respects so these rankings are now absolutely valid and completely reasonable

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would only trade Reilly for a top 2 pick. And a trade for Jones is lateral at best. Reilly has an extra year of development too...Pointless for the leafs
Oh joy, you're back.



Anyway I'm not sure the Oilers do this. They need a 2C pretty badly. And although they need Defense as well. They already have an OFD in Schultz who so far has done more and looked better then Rielly.


At #7 theres a very good chance the Oilers will get one of Monahan or Lindholm.

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