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07-04-2013, 01:06 PM
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Rob Scuderi to Penguins (4 Year Deal)

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Things can change. But does not appear as though there will be a Rob Scuderi decision today. Suspect it has to be a tough call for him.
The problem with Twitter is sometimes you just can't your full point across. I asked her what other teams have made inquiries...have not heard back. Has anyone heard anything?

Maybe what she is commenting about is just committing to the Kings without listening to offers, but I think that is kind of naive. I always assumed he would be listening to offers. Why wouldn't he?

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Here's your decision - he won't be playing in LA next year.

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Here's your decision - he won't be playing in LA next year.
I always thought that too. It's too bad, because he is such a good character player, and no doubt a leader in the locker room.

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I always thought that too. It's too bad, because he is such a good character player, and no doubt a leader in the locker room.
Absolutely. Can't blame him for testing the market, but if he wants another ring, he probably needs to take at least the same money he's making right now. He has two though, so perhaps it's all about the money now.

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I don't blame Scuds, him and his face-first game.

He made little money the first half of his career so he needs to get enough for his family now, this will be his last big $ contract.

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5 years for $20m $4m per is what is rumored.

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5 years for $20m $4m per is what is rumored.
Ouch. There's no way we can afford that... or is there?

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That's close to Voynov money. That's what you pay for a strong #2 guy who can do more than just protect the blueline. Seems way too excessive for any contending team. A borderline playoff team or anyone desperate for defense may probably be able to afford him. There's no cap space on the Kings to make that number work.

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If you can get, take the money and run Rob, and god's speed.

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That's close to Voynov money. That's what you pay for a strong #2 guy who can do more than just protect the blueline. Seems way too excessive for any contending team. A borderline playoff team or anyone desperate for defense may probably be able to afford him. There's no cap space on the Kings to make that number work.
I think the $3.8 was right on the money and more than fair. I really like Scuds and what he brings to the game and even think he deserved a raise but all things considered a $600k bump is an awful lot.

I bet he gets it but can't see us doing it.

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I think the $3.8 was right on the money and more than fair. I really like Scuds and what he brings to the game and even think he deserved a raise but all things considered a $600k bump is an awful lot.

I bet he gets it but can't see us doing it.
Well we know the cap is going to go up, is it really worth losing him over 200k or do people feel 3.8 is still too much? I'm torn on this. He will be much better this year as I feel they can limit his minutes better this year. He was awful imo when he had to play too much.

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Well we know the cap is going to go up, is it really worth losing him over 200k or do people feel 3.8 is still too much? I'm torn on this. He will be much better this year as I feel they can limit his minutes better this year. He was awful imo when he had to play too much.
To my way of seeing it it isn't that Scuds isn't worth the $4m per this coming season or even the next one but it starts becoming an issue in 3 years and it sort of sets the tone for what Greene will be worth and then after him what Marty or Ellerby or Muzz etc. If we have five D making at or near the $4m per or more range it is a very expensive D.

DD @ $7m
VV @ $4m
WM @ $3.5
RS @ $4m
MG @ $3.25
RR @ $3m
JM @ $1m

We would have $25m tied up in our D.

MG is a ufa after this season and will want a bump. We give Scuds at 35 $4m we will end up giving MG the same or more (opinion) and will have to re-sign or replace WM and RR. To me it isn't the $200K As much as it is what it will do to our cap mgmt.

Having over $25m tied up in our D seems like a bit much. I am terrible at asset mgmt though so hopefully KF or Ziggy can come and straighten me out on it. Maybe I am missing something.

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I still believe he's worth the money, losing Scuds will almost cripple our if Mitchell isn't back to 100%

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If Scuds leaves and the Kings strike out in UFA(likely cause West coast), and Mitchell is not ready....The growing pains the young guys are going to have ; are going to piss everyone off.

GDT's are going to be a disaster, I feel sorry for the mods.

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We couldn't even sign him to his original deal. We are looking at ~$2 million in cap space when all is said and done with our free agents. Scuds is gone.

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We couldn't even sign him to his original deal. We are looking at ~$2 million in cap space when all is said and done with our free agents. Scuds is gone.
Yep, I can't decipher how such a move could actually be made.

We wanted a core and we got one. The cap is going to go back up a little, but with raises coming to Brown, Greene, and a little one coming to Frattin too, we're probably capped out for the next two years. Such is life.

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Yep, I can't decipher how such a move could actually be made.

We wanted a core and we got one. The cap is going to go back up a little, but with raises coming to Brown, Greene, and a little one coming to Frattin too, we're probably capped out for the next two years. Such is life.
Potentially replacing Mitchell will be the big issue next off season

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Potentially replacing Mitchell will be the big issue next off season
Looking ahead to 2014, there are going to be a ton of UFA defensemen.
http://capgeek.com/free-agents/?year...D&fa_type_id=2

The names who stand out as left-handed stay-at-home defensemen who could play alongside Doughty or Voynov are:

-Brooks Orpik (who the Kings attempted to sign back in 2008)

-Niklas Hjalmarsson

-Nick Schultz

-Dennis Seidenberg

-Chris Phillips

-Rostislav Klesla

-Mark Stuart

The top two names on that list to me would be Seidenberg and Hjalmarsson.

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Looking ahead to 2014, there are going to be a ton of UFA defensemen.
http://capgeek.com/free-agents/?year...D&fa_type_id=2

The names who stand out as left-handed stay-at-home defensemen who could play alongside Doughty or Voynov are:

-Brooks Orpik (who the Kings attempted to sign back in 2008)

-Niklas Hjalmarsson

-Nick Schultz

-Dennis Seidenberg

-Chris Phillips

-Rostislav Klesla

-Mark Stuart

The top two names on that list to me would be Seidenberg and Hjalmarsson.
Seidenberg would be an amazing addition.

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5 years for $20m $4m per is what is rumored.
Way too many years.

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Too many years for a guy who is constantly taking bad hits. One or two years is one thing but 4? No way. He wasn't as good this season as last so if he's already in his descent, let him be some other team's problem.

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Potentially replacing Mitchell will be the big issue next off season
Stoll is up too next off season (I think?).

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Stoll is up too next off season (I think?).
No, he has two more years left.

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Crying about Scuderi in 2 years isn't an issue with the compliance buyout. Maybe we'll actually use it eventually. I just don't think it's necessary now because we've got a genius for a GM, who never hands out bad contracts (except for Robyn Regehr).

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Crying about Scuderi in 2 years isn't an issue with the compliance buyout. Maybe we'll actually use it eventually. I just don't think it's necessary now because we've got a genius for a GM, who never hands out bad contracts (except for Robyn Regehr).
The compliance buyout(s) would have to be used by next year, that's it. Two years from now, they're gone.

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