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Seattle II - A Tale of Two Cities (Yotes to Seattle?)

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Seattle II - A Tale of Two Cities (Yotes to Seattle?)

The more I think about it, the more I think it's a PR stunt from Seattle and only Seattle. The potential buyers leaked the information to Healy about them being serious contenders without even telling the NHL.

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The more I think about it, the more I think it's a PR stunt from Seattle and only Seattle. The potential buyers leaked the information to Healy about them being serious contenders without even telling the NHL.
That a quick and easy way to make sure you end up on Gary shizlist!

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The more I think about it, the more I think it's a PR stunt from Seattle and only Seattle. The potential buyers leaked the information to Healy about them being serious contenders without even telling the NHL.
for what purpose? Why are the mayor of Seattle, Chris Hansen, and two highly reputable businessmen (one of whom is richer than 27 of the 29 NHL owners) pretending that they have a shot at the Coyotes?

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for what purpose? Why are the mayor of Seattle, Chris Hansen, and two highly reputable businessmen (one of whom is richer than 27 of the 29 NHL owners) pretending that they have a shot at the Coyotes?
I think you are going to be wildly disappointed in the wealth of Bartoszek and Lanza.

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for what purpose? Why are the mayor of Seattle, Chris Hansen, and two highly reputable businessmen (one of whom is richer than 27 of the 29 NHL owners) pretending that they have a shot at the Coyotes?
Because they know the NHL will have to move the Coyotes when the ***** hits the fan. A window of opportunity.

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I think you are going to be wildly disappointed in the wealth of Bartoszek and Lanza.
based on what? When Bartoszek bought into the Yankees (big hint that there's cash there), he was valued at $5 billion. That's serious, serious money as far as the NHL is concerned.

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Because they know the NHL will have to move the Coyotes when the ***** hits the fan. A window of opportunity.
not even Balsillie was that stupid the first time

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based on what? When Bartoszek bought into the Yankees (big hint that there's cash there), he was valued at $5 billion. That's serious, serious money as far as the NHL is concerned.
If you're speaking of Business Insider's valuation, you may want to get a second opinion on that serious, serious money.

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If you're speaking of Business Insider's valuation, you may want to get a second opinion on that serious, serious money.
So, do you have a source for what you feel is a more accurate valuation of his wealth?

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not even Balsillie was that stupid the first time
He sure was he was selling season tickets on ticketmaster without owning the team

This one will be tough to beat

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If you're speaking of Business Insider's valuation, you may want to get a second opinion on that serious, serious money.
ok give me an accurate valuation, then. His deal with the Yankees included a valuation of the team at $1.7 billion, according to Forbes, so there's serious money there regardless. His portfolio's very diverse, he held a very senior position at Glencore... their IPO on the London exchange was $10 billion and their recent merger with Xstrata has only made the company a bigger player. There's a lot of money there.

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ok give me an accurate valuation, then. His deal with the Yankees included a valuation of the team at $1.7 billion, according to Forbes, so there's serious money there regardless. His portfolio's very diverse, he held a very senior position at Glencore... their IPO on the London exchange was $10 billion and their recent merger with Xstrata has only made the company a bigger player. There's a lot of money there.
I think it's conceded that Seattle has the financial backing but the situation without a confirmed new arena and the small and horrible Key arena are the reasons Seattle has an uphill climb right now.

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even if the BI valuation was wrong, commodities trading is basically an inside track to billions of dollars. The managing director of oil for the biggest commodities company in the world is worth very high 9 figures at least

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So you guys talking about a potential owner in Seattle being a billionnaire who can't spare $3-400M and build himself an arena, arena which is currently the biggest of concerns about NHL in Seattle.

Also, Quebec was very positive for Winnipeg because that was a proof that an old NHL market was still hockey crazy, and Quebec is one of the very few like that, without a team.

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not even Balsillie was that stupid the first time
I'm going to give you 2 quick scenarios involving Jim Balsillie, I'd like you to choose which one you think is most likely.

Scenario A: Mr Balsillie decides that he would like to bring an nhl team to Hamilton. Like any reasonable person, he understands how the nhl operates, so his first move is to set up a private meeting with mr bettman, during which he politely lets gary know that he would like a team in Hamilton. Gary then proceeds to politely inform Mr Balsillie that the nhl is not interested in placing a team in Hamilton. Mr Balsillie then has 2 choices: either disappear from the scene and do nothing, or try to force the issue, resulting in the scorched earth policy we all witnessed over the last few years.

Scenario B: Mr Balsillie simply arrives on the nhl scene with guns ablazing, feeling no need to follow any nhl rules, no need to first approach the commissioner with his wishes.

Which do you think is more likely to have happened, A or B?

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I'm going to give you 2 quick scenarios involving Jim Balsillie, I'd like you to choose which one you think is most likely.

Scenario A: Mr Balsillie decides that he would like to bring an nhl team to Hamilton. Like any reasonable person, he understands how the nhl operates, so his first move is to set up a private meeting with mr bettman, during which he politely lets gary know that he would like a team in Hamilton. Gary then proceeds to politely inform Mr Balsillie that the nhl is not interested in placing a team in Hamilton. Mr Balsillie then has 2 choices: either disappear from the scene and do nothing, or try to force the issue, resulting in the scorched earth policy we all witnessed over the last few years.

Scenario B: Mr Balsillie simply arrives on the nhl scene with guns ablazing, feeling no need to follow any nhl rules, no need to first approach the commissioner with his wishes.

Which do you think is more likely to have happened, A or B?
The answer is actually hidden answer C.) The NHL is a private enterprise and can have franchises in the cities it wants to and additionally, can ignore places - and potential owners - that it doesn't see as meeting its standard for inclusion in the league.

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The answer is actually hidden answer C.) The NHL is a private enterprise and can have franchises in the cities it wants to and additionally, can ignore places - and potential owners - that it doesn't see as meeting its standard for inclusion in the league.
C doesn't exclude either A or B.

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Komo 4 news in Seattle had a big story on this on the 11pm news.

Toronto Sun - http://www.torontosun.com/2013/06/17...l-team-to-city

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it's a wire report from QMI, Quebecor's wire service.

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it's a wire report from QMI, Quebecor's wire service.
QMI more or less exclusively serves Sun Media.

anyways, look at the poll there:

"Which would you rather see"
1. The NHL in Arizona
2. The NHL in Seattle

conspicuously missing is that 3rd option... Quebec.

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Significant new details from the Seattle Times (which is the better of the two local papers, from what I can gather)

http://seattletimes.com/html/othersp...eattlexml.html

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Two weeks ago, McGinn and the Seattle City Council worked out a tentative deal with investors Ray Bartoszek and Anthony Lanza for the use of KeyArena for the 2013-14 season if they can to secure the team and relocate to Seattle.

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Councilman Tim Burgess isn’t sure the project would begin with a hockey team as the primary tenant. He noted it would be a “substantial change” to the city’s agreement to go forward without an NBA team.

“Relying on an NHL team alone would not be a strong enough foundation,” Burgess said.
First thread:
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1446391

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http://seattletimes.com/html/othersp...eattlexml.html

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Two weeks ago, McGinn and the Seattle City Council worked out a tentative deal with investors Ray Bartoszek and Anthony Lanza for the use of KeyArena for the 2013-14 season if they can to secure the team and relocate to Seattle.

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Councilman Tim Burgess isn’t sure the project would begin with a hockey team as the primary tenant. He noted it would be a “substantial change” to the city’s agreement to go forward without an NBA team.

“Relying on an NHL team alone would not be a strong enough foundation,” Burgess said.

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^^^ Ya thats a bit odd... and polls 90% in favour of Seattle. About 1500 votes thus far.

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QMI more or less exclusively serves Sun Media.

anyways, look at the poll there:

"Which would you rather see"
1. The NHL in Arizona
2. The NHL in Seattle

conspicuously missing is that 3rd option... Quebec.
Quebec is so quiet...too quiet.

Why kick the bee's nest? There has been nothing of substance coming out of the Quebec camp for them to be thrown into the mix by their own media services or others. The word is mum. Irresponsible for any media to start waving that flag. Save it for editorial if even.

The story will be packaged differently by region though. The (identical) Quebecois equivalents:

http://www.journaldequebec.com/2013/...serait-seattle

http://www.journaldemontreal.com/201...serait-seattle

Considerably shorter. Skimp on the quotes. Just the facts ma'am. No polls.

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^^^ Ya thats a bit odd... and polls 90% in favour of Seattle. About 1500 votes thus far.
Quebec is not involved in this report in any way. How is it odd that they are not on the survey?

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