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06-01-2005, 10:18 AM
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Silly Question, but what the heck...

If Toronto (by some miracle) got Crosby, what would you want from the Habs to trade him there?


TO MON: Crosby
TO TOR: Perezhoghin, Kotsitsyn, Markov, Danis, 1st rounder

Too much?

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06-01-2005, 10:28 AM
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If by some bizarre occurence Crosby did end up in Toronto it would not be followed by the even more bizarre trade with Montreal.

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Put it this way. If Toronto got Crosby, there is no way they would trade him. None.

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Put it this way. If Toronto got Crosby, there is no way they would trade him. None.
especially not to the Habs.

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If Toronto (by some miracle) got Crosby, what would you want from the Habs to trade him there?


TO MON: Crosby
TO TOR: Perezhoghin, Kotsitsyn, Markov, Danis, 1st rounder

Too much?

Moe
If Toronto drafted him, they would keep him. I don't think there's any doubt about that. For the sake of argument, if Toronto shopped Sidney Crosby I guarantee they would get offers far superior than anything Montreal could put together.

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If Toronto (by some miracle) got Crosby, what would you want from the Habs to trade him there?
. . .
Naturally, any team attempting to trade for Crosby would be asked to overpay to such a large extent that fans of that team would be enraged.

Nevertheless, if I were the GM of the team with the first overall pick, I would enjoy seeing the offers roll in.

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If Toronto (by some miracle) got Crosby, what would you want from the Habs to trade him there?


TO MON: Crosby
TO TOR: Perezhoghin, Kotsitsyn, Markov, Danis, 1st rounder

Too much?

Moe
How about:

TO Mon: Crosby
TO Col: Perezhoghin, Kotsitsyn, Markov, Danis, 1st rounder
To Tor: Nash

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How about:

TO Mon: Crosby
TO Col: Perezhoghin, Kotsitsyn, Markov, Danis, 1st rounder
To Tor: Nash
This one has merit ..

I agree the Habs have absolutely nothing that would interest me for Crosby trade.

However that package to Atl for Heatley would also spark my interest ..

Listening to trade offers would be something all right .

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This one has merit ..

I agree the Habs have absolutely nothing that would interest me for Crosby trade.

However that package to Atl for Heatley would also spark my interest ..

Listening to trade offers would be something all right .
sombody say Heatley. OH MESS I LOVE HEATLEY.

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Nash would be tempting, but otherwise, never trade the future

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If Toronto (by some miracle) got Crosby, what would you want from the Habs to trade him there?


TO MON: Crosby
TO TOR: Perezhoghin, Kotsitsyn, Markov, Danis, 1st rounder

Too much?

Moe
That's not nearly enough to land Crosby. Look at what Philly gave up for Lindros and you might have an idea of what a Crosby trade might look like.

The breakdown of the Lindros trade and what Montreal has that's roughly equal.....

Peter Forsberg (6th overall pick in the previous draft)- Andrei Kostitsyn
Steve Duchesne (50 point defenceman)- Andrei Markov
Ron Hextall (starting goalie)- Yann Danis
Kerry Huffman (Former 1st round pick)- Ron Hainsey
Mike Ricci (4th overall pick two years before)- Chris Higgins
Chris Simon (25th overall pick two seasons before)- Kyle Chipchura
1st rounder in 1993- 1st rounder in 2006
1st rounder in 1994- 1st rounder in 2007

So this is something like what Montreal would have to give up for Crosby.....

Crosby

for

Kostitsyn, Markov, Danis, Hainsey, Higgins, Chipchura, 1st in 2006, 1st in 2007.


Plus that trade is still somewhat questionable because Montreal doesn't have a Forsberg-type prospect to send the other way.

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sombody say Heatley. OH MESS I LOVE HEATLEY.
I said it just for you BuppY...

You think I missed your former avatar in all the threads ..

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So this is something like what Montreal would have to give up for Crosby.....

Crosby

for

Kostitsyn, Markov, Danis, Hainsey, Higgins, Chipchura, 1st in 2006, 1st in 2007.

Plus that trade is still somewhat questionable because Montreal doesn't have a Forsberg-type prospect to send the other way.
I agree .. I wouldn't trade him for that package .. Quantity verses quality deals often favour the side getting the top player in the trade ..

Also to consider is that other teams offers will trump this if they are of the same model you used to come up with this ..

If you talking was Philly and the names Richards, Carter, Pitkanen start appearing in a package well then ..

Or I see it for an established player .. Lecavalier comes to mind .. etc ..

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I agree .. I wouldn't trade him for that package .. Quantity verses quality deals often favour the side getting the top player in the trade ..

Also to consider is that other teams offers will trump this if they are of the same model you used to come up with this ..
Plus don't forget with Lindros, Quebec was in a position where they pretty much had to trade him. The team that drafts Crosby likely will not be in that position. They're only going to trade him if they get an absolutely unbelievable deal.

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If you talking was Philly and the names Richards, Carter, Pitkanen start appearing in a package well then ..

Or I see it for an established player .. Lecavalier comes to mind .. etc ..
Exactly. In any deal like this you need another almost Crosby level player in return or it's not worth it.

Picture if Lindros never got hurt and he played at his Hart trophy level his whole career.

How would that deal look if Quebec didn't get Forsberg in return? Guys like Ricci, Simon and Duchesne all had good careers, but it would hardly make up for what Lindros could have brought.

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Plus don't forget with Lindros, Quebec was in a position where they pretty much had to trade him. The team that drafts Crosby likely will not be in that position. They're only going to trade him if they get an absolutely unbelievable deal.



Exactly. In any deal like this you need another almost Crosby level player in return or it's not worth it.

Picture if Lindros never got hurt and he played at his Hart trophy level his whole career.

How would that deal look if Quebec didn't get Forsberg in return? Guys like Ricci, Simon and Duchesne all had good careers, but it would hardly make up for what Lindros could have brought.
Agreed ..

Also I have said it before and I will say it again .. If the Leafs did get Crosby, based on the current teams composition now (Leafs have lots of roster openings) I would seriously entertain all offers .. The more you upgrade your team from the bottom up the stronger your team becomes, via the you are only as good as your weakest link rule .. A Lindros type return , leaves the Wilms, Perrotts, type players in the minors and not on the NHL roster ..

As you put it ..

a) No pressure to trade brings out higher bids and bidders

b) For the Lindros injury point in reverse .. If you have Crosby .. 1 guy and 1 injury and that is all she wrote till he returns .. If you get a package with at least one player in it like Jeff Carter, Tuomo Ruutu, Dion Phaneuf etc in the package then your team improves if you spread the wealth so to speak and reduce the risk of a single injury ..

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Colombus:Crosby,2nd rounder,6throunder

Toronto:Nash,Zherdev


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Colombus:Crosby,2nd rounder,6throunder

Toronto:Nash,Zherdev

Good thing you threw in that 6th rounder otherwise I'm not sure that Columbus would bite.

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I said it just for you BuppY...

You think I missed your former avatar in all the threads ..

hehe.. Im falling in love with u. hehehe lol

Im bring it back.

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If by some bizarre occurence Crosby did end up in Toronto it would not be followed by the even more bizarre trade with Montreal.


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How about:

TO Mon: Crosby
TO Col: Perezhoghin, Kotsitsyn, Markov, Danis, 1st rounder
To Tor: Nash

now this is more appealing. i'd still want a lil more though when its all said and done...maybe throw something else to CBJ to maybe sneak out...maybe a guy like Zherdev or Klesla.....even though Nash alone will be worth it because I think Nash will have a better career than Crosby

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now this is more appealing. i'd still want a lil more though when its all said and done...maybe throw something else to CBJ to maybe sneak out...maybe a guy like Zherdev or Klesla.....even though Nash alone will be worth it because I think Nash will have a better career than Crosby
NO way columbus trades both Zherdev and Nash. I doubt they move Nasher alone for Crosby.

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NO way columbus trades both Zherdev and Nash. I doubt they move Nasher alone for Crosby.
I agree

There is no way Columbus trades NASH for that package NO WAY .. but since we all know ULF's intent, this was a nice way of saying flog that habs package elsewhere and bring us a real hockey player in exchange for Crosby .

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It would be very interesting hearing offers for the 1st overall pick if that did end up happening.Could you imagine getting something comparable to the Lindros deal? That would be one tough decision to make on whether or not to trade the 1st overall or keep it.


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NO way columbus trades both Zherdev and Nash. I doubt they move Nasher alone for Crosby.
I know its more of a dream lol(make that an imposible dream)

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I agree .. I wouldn't trade him for that package .. Quantity verses quality deals often favour the side getting the top player in the trade ..

Also to consider is that other teams offers will trump this if they are of the same model you used to come up with this ..

If you talking was Philly and the names Richards, Carter, Pitkanen start appearing in a package well then ..

Or I see it for an established player .. Lecavalier comes to mind .. etc ..
Or Luongo, JBo and a 1st as a starting point for Crosby and McCabe

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Or Luongo, JBo and a 1st as a starting point for Crosby and McCabe
You can tell by post count that i'm a regular reader but rare poster. Thought i might throw my two cents in on this one tho.

This is exactly what came to my mind as i was reading thru these posts. Personally "IF" for some reason TO actually drafted Crosby this would be something i'd consider at least looking at.

Possibly something around Luongo and Horton plus whatever, if Florida wouldn't offer up both Luongo and JBouw in a deal?

Haha, why not go for the gold and demand a deal included Luongo, Horton and JBouw?

Maybe i should stay a rare poster.

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