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06-19-2013, 07:20 PM
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Keep Ryan Ellis at D or move him to forward?

Simple question do you want to see Ellis at D 3rd pairing or 3rd line winger?

Something to consider, Ellis-Legwand-Hornqvist

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06-19-2013, 07:30 PM
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Simple question do you want to see Ellis at D 3rd pairing or 3rd line winger?

Something to consider, Ellis-Legwand-Hornqvist
Great idea love it!!! Ellis is too talented to give away in a trade.

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We've thrown the idea out before, and I absolutely think it's worth a try.

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Keep him at D. Moving him to forward would be an absolute last resort and I don't think we're close to that point yet. I think we forget how young he is.

Even if it gets to that point, I've never been a fan of taking players out of their natural position. Square pegs, round holes type of situation.

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He has fantastic transition skills. In fact, he may be the best on the team. his offensive zone positioning is fantastic, and his defensive zone coverage is adequate. We are too spoiled as a fan base with elite defenseman, elite puck movers, and a strong defensive cupboard.

Ellis struggling on a third pairing with molasses skating Hal Gil in a shortened season should not remove the shine his whole career had garnered to this point. JMO.

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Look at who we just brought in to help coach the d... There is your answer.

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06-19-2013, 10:57 PM
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I think it is worth a try. Just look at what Brett Burns did for SJ.

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I am sorry but this just cannot happen - not yet anyway. A fully adjusted and confident Ryan Ellis will be able to retrieve pucks in his own zone and either skate it out or put pucks in the right place. He'll start quick counters with accurate passes and jump up in the play, he'll walk the line in the o-zone and get shots to the net or hit a man in a seam.

D men that can do these things are valuable commodities. I would try and extract every ounce out of him on defense - I am not certain the Preds are the best fit as they are not the most skilled group up front so perhaps another team comes calling and a deal gets done.

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Ryan Ellis will never be a forward. He doesn't have the skating for it.

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06-20-2013, 07:38 AM
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Not yet. Let's see if the new coach can help him some and if Ellis ever gets paired with a partner faster than a turtle.

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Not yet. Let's see if the new coach can help him some and if Ellis ever gets paired with a partner faster than a turtle.
Yeah, I agree with this. I remember years ago, we had a similar thread about Bogosian moving up to play wing (yes, I know he's bigger, but same idea)

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Look at who we just brought in to help coach the d... There is your answer.
Exactly. Housley hire is first and foremost a double down bet on ellis. No trade, no position move ( although PH WAS used occasionally at F himself). Perfect mentor for Ellis

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Personally I still think Ellis is going to be a star. He doesn't have the size to be a shutdown defenseman, true, but he has quite possibly the best offensive instincts and puck skills on the team. His positioning is solid and his hockey IQ is extremely high. I think he's going to be a solid third-pairing, possibly even a top-four defenseman and a top-notch powerplay quarterback. Put him and Weber out there together and let teams worry about TWO hammers from the point. The kid has skills.

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this is ridiculously premature.

I think Blum and Eliis have been lumped together so long that peoiple forget Ellis is two years younger than Blum

age 22 is too soon to be declaring him a bust or suggesting he change his position

Lets wait until hes 24, where Blum is now, and has had a couple of years of teaching from Phil Housley, before we write him off(edit: I see others have mentioned the Housley angle as well...)

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I have been asking this question for a couple years. I think Ellis could adjust and be a skilled winger. The only thing people really complain about is his size and getting caught thinking offense to much. His size would no longer be an issue and his athletic ability will fit him in at forward in a half a season.
With that said i think he will be fine were he is at. He needs to be paired with someone to compliment him well and given the opportunity to thrive on the power play.

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Ryan Ellis will never be a forward. He doesn't have the skating for it.
LOL, doesn't have the skills to skate as a forward but has them to skate as a defenseman? Have you seen Patrick Hornqvist skate? Ugliest stride on the team with marginal balance.

Defensemen are usually really strong skaters period, remember the guy you consider slow is expected to skate backwards as fast as a winger skates forward.

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LOL, doesn't have the skills to skate as a forward but has them to skate as a defenseman? Have you seen Patrick Hornqvist skate? Ugliest stride on the team with marginal balance.

Defensemen are usually really strong skaters period, remember the guy you consider slow is expected to skate backwards as fast as a winger skates forward.

I meant speed. Yes, Horny is an ugly skater however it doesn't matter cause his bread and butter is in front of the net. He is great at one dimension of the game and that's what makes him an NHLer.

Ellis is a fine technical skater. He has decent mobility and good balance but not a lot of speed. Since he isn't fast or big he isn't going to be a forechecking demon. He would get knocked off the puck in the corners/ likely couldn't sustain a cycle. I don't see what type of forward Ellis could become to be a successful one. I can't see his niche. He's such a smart player it makes sense for him to be a D-man surveying the whole ice. Just watching him he seems like a D-man through and through. I just can not see his game adjusting to forward.

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Strength comes with age and workout routine.

I'm putting it out there as more curiousity. I see Ekholm as a Ellis with size and Ellis' trade value is not that high. I would like to see them try to use him at forward once in a while this year to see how it works. If there is great potential there continue, if not put him back on D.

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Strength comes with age and workout routine.

I'm putting it out there as more curiousity. I see Ekholm as a Ellis with size and Ellis' trade value is not that high. I would like to see them try to use him at forward once in a while this year to see how it works. If there is great potential there continue, if not put him back on D.
get some new spectacles there bosox man. about the only thing they have in common is a good slapper. Ekholm is much better in the defensive zone and ellis is much better int he offensive zone and has a better first pass.

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get some new spectacles there bosox man. about the only thing they have in common is a good slapper. Ekholm is much better in the defensive zone and ellis is much better int he offensive zone and has a better first pass.
Then I want Ekholm more than Ellis in that descriptor.

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Then I want Ekholm more than Ellis in that descriptor.
not arguing that. though perhaps the two might complement each other and make a fine pair one day

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Then I want Ekholm more than Ellis in that descriptor.
I would join you in that company, but it's a style issue with me.

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What age did weber and suter start playing well? Took them a couple of years also.. We are a quick group to judge.. Ellis did a fine job the first 20ish games last year showed he can at least play at this level.. Now put him with someone other then gill and lets see

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Seems I recall this discussion about Kleiner, too, although more around Blum's age. Suter wasn't Suter for a couple years, either - give him a little time.

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Seems I recall this discussion about Kleiner, too, although more around Blum's age. Suter wasn't Suter for a couple years, either - give him a little time.
You remember correctly, in fact they DID move Klein to forward. He played a few games at RW for the Preds and finished the last quarter or so of that season as a RW in Milwaukee. At the time it was thought to be his best chance at making the NHL.

I don't think it was the wrong call either, obviously he's turned into a very nice defenseman, but it was probably a wakeup call to him that if he didn't take his game up to the next level that his NHL dreams were going to be over in a hurry.

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