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06-26-2013, 08:11 PM
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Why? It's become pretty apparent that the 30-goal season of 2010-11 was more of an aberration than a pattern of things to come. His salary vs. production is clearly out of whack and he's in his prime years now.

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His production hasn't met his salary once in the last three seasons. Your disdain for Stafford is well-documented, but enough with the hyperbole. Stafford's value is higher than three picks in the draft at a point where the consensus seems to be the players who'll be picked are very close.

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Regier's reference last week that they weren't going to tender qualifying offers to some of their Rochester players sounded distinctly like Adam won't even get a contract as an RFA.
I think that's more in reference to players like Schiestel and Lagace...

I'd be shocked if they didn't qualify Adam and stick him in Roch

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06-26-2013, 09:25 PM
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here's my idea.... thoughts?

Miller, 8th, 16th
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Couturier, 11th

for me, Couturier is worth more than the 8th

we get a top elite prospect (couturier)
we still draft 11th

perfect world... right?

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here's my idea.... thoughts?

Miller, 8th, 16th
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Couturier, 11th

for me, Couturier is worth more than the 8th

we get a top elite prospect (couturier)
we still draft 11th

perfect world... right?
I think it depends on who's there at 8 or not.

If Lindholm and Risto and Nichu are off the board at 8....then I think I'm good with this.

I am not sure that Couturier will develop into that elite-level #1C that we're looking for. But, I think he'll be better than Horvat or Nurse.

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06-26-2013, 09:40 PM
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I think it depends on who's there at 8 or not.

If Lindholm and Risto and Nichu are off the board at 8....then I think I'm good with this.

I am not sure that Couturier will develop into that elite-level #1C that we're looking for. But, I think he'll be better than Horvat or Nurse.
We do not need an elite #1 center, Grigs/Coho can achieve that offensive stability needed at center but we need a two way center who will chip in 50-60 pts, Couturier!

Begereron, Brown, Staal, towes, shutdown centers.

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06-26-2013, 09:42 PM
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here's my idea.... thoughts?

Miller, 8th, 16th
for
Couturier, 11th

for me, Couturier is worth more than the 8th

we get a top elite prospect (couturier)
we still draft 11th

perfect world... right?
To much IMO. Even the Flyers fans agree. It really depends on who is there at 8 though.

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06-26-2013, 09:44 PM
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We do not need an elite #1 center, Grigs/Coho can achieve that offensive stability needed at center but we need a two way center who will chip in 50-60 pts, Couturier!

Begereron, Brown, Staal, towes, shutdown centers.
I disagree. We do not have an elite # 1 center. Grigs/Coho do not have the speed and explosiveness of one. I guess they can turn out like Thornton or Spezza at the absolute maximum. But would be nice to get a game breaking center with speed, elusiveness, tenacity, grit, etc...I think Lindholm is that and hope we can somehow get him. We have Larsson and Girgs that both have the possibility in turning into a shutdown center.

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To much IMO. Even the Flyers fans agree. It really depends on who is there at 8 though.
which means its a good offer... a real deal

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06-26-2013, 09:59 PM
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I think it depends on who's there at 8 or not.

If Lindholm and Risto and Nichu are off the board at 8....then I think I'm good with this.

I am not sure that Couturier will develop into that elite-level #1C that we're looking for. But, I think he'll be better than Horvat or Nurse.
couturier is worth more than the 8th IMO... he's already shown NHL talent, unlike anyone at 8 in this year's draft... his development is already on course (speeding up our rebuild)

how much more is the question, and how do you quantify it

Miller is worth something less than the 11th pick IMO

how much less is the question, and how do you quantify it?

I think the 16th balances it out... some of it's value is applied to the overpayment the for Miller... some of it's value is applied to the underpayment the on Couturier

Fylers can kick in a future 2nd/3rd... if it makes everyone feel better

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06-26-2013, 10:16 PM
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which means its a good offer... a real deal
This one is better and most Flyers fans like it to.

Miller, 8th, 38th
Coots, 11th

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06-26-2013, 10:21 PM
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This one is better and most Flyers fans like it to.

Miller, 8th, 38th
Coots, 11th
mine is more realistic...
i dont think the 38th makes up the difference.

your deal is a landslide steal for Buffalo
Couturier>>8th
Miller<11th
38th might close the Miller/11th gap... but then the Couturier gap remains huge
i think the Sabres are winning the trade I proposed

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mine is more realistic...
i dont think the 38th makes up the difference.

your deal is a landslide steal for Buffalo
Couturier>>8th
Miller<11th
38th might close the Miller/11th gap... but then the Couturier gap remains huge
i think the Sabres are winning the trade I proposed
Nope you vastly over rate Couts. I'd honestly take Lindholm over him and I full well expect Lindholm to fall. Your known to over value players that "you" like and under value goalies that "you" dislike. If Flyers fans are agreeing with me, it is more than fair IMO. Philly is a #1 goalie and a decent shutdown Defenseman away from contending IMO. This season was a fluke.

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Nope you vastly over rate Couts. I'd honestly take Lindholm over him and I full well expect Lindholm to fall. Your known to over value players that "you" like and under value goalies that "you" dislike. If Flyers fans are agreeing with me, it is more than fair IMO. Philly is a #1 goalie and a decent shutdown Defenseman away from contending IMO. This season was a fluke.
Disregarding how we "rate" couturier... it's hard to argue that an elite prospect who is already performing one of the hardest roles in the game, at the NHL level, at 20 years old, after making the leap directly from juniors... could possibly be of lesser value than a prospect yet to be drafted...

that's a really tough sell... but good luck with it.

in a hypothetical world, where couturier's last 2 seasons with the Flyers counted, and then for some reason... he was back in the draft, at 20 years old among the current draft class... He'd be drafted #1 or #2.

Your opinion is essentially that the 8th pick = the 2nd pick....

You think Flyers fans have an even keel opinion on the value of goaltenders?

edit : i counted 1 flyer fan who agreed with you (tripod), so lets not act like you got a quorom


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I'm saving some of these comments about Couturier for future use. God forbid a 20 yr old hasn't had a huge offensive season in the NHL yet. Too bad he wasn't sent back to juniors to score eleventy billion points against overmatched kids these last two years, in which case he'd probably be a stud prospect in the eyes of the same people.

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I'm saving some of these comments about Couturier for future use. God forbid a 20 yr old hasn't had a huge offensive season in the NHL yet. Too bad he wasn't sent back to juniors to score eleventy billion points against overmatched kids these last two years, in which case he'd probably be a stud prospect in the eyes of the same people.
this is so true... he'd be the #1 prospect on HF and they'd all be drooling to get him

what did you think of my proposal?

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here's my idea.... thoughts?

Miller, 8th, 16th
for
Couturier, 11th

for me, Couturier is worth more than the 8th

we get a top elite prospect (couturier)
we still draft 11th

perfect world... right?

I'd do it. Darcy wouldn't.

Would probably be the next best thing to the MacKinnon pipedream.

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Miller to Philly is a done deal (IMO)

It's just what is coming back. An overpayment for a semi-proven 20 year old, at a position that has been lacking for years, and getting rid of a hefty goalie cap hit.....

I can't see how some of you are arguing against this?!?!?!

Especially seeing we almost universally agree that Darcy's biggest failure is a vet center.

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Miller to Philly is a done deal (IMO)

It's just what is coming back. An overpayment for a semi-proven 20 year old, at a position that has been lacking for years, and getting rid of a hefty goalie cap hit.....

I can't see how some of you are arguing against this?!?!?!

Especially seeing we almost universally agree that Darcy's biggest failure is a vet center.
And what are you basing that off other than one good report that the two teams have talked and a whole bunch of other less good (ie sucky) rumors?

Miller to Philly makes some sense, but I'm far from predicting it's going to actually happen.

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Btw, I have the Sabres 3rd "Buffalo" across the front jersey with Miller on the back......

His time is up, now leverage him for a stud for the next 7-10 years!

Couts is the type of player that wins in the playoffs, not small, soft, offensive types.

11:01 tonight, announce it Darcy!!!!! Pull the trigger

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Jame's deal would be fantastic.

Buffalo still gets a very good draft pick this draft as well as a very YOUNG and vital piece for the rebuild.

Some folks seem to forget that Couturier was once among the talk of being the 1st overall selection in 2011 before he slid to... wait for it... 8th overall.

Jame's deal is basically 8th overall for 8th overall. Only Couturier is just as good if not better than what's probably on the board at 8 any ways. AND he's ready to make an impact for Buffalo now. The kid's just 20 years old and he's got stud written all over him.

Sign me up for this everyday of the week.

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Hello?

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It would have to be a game time decision while on the clock at 8 IMO. If Lindholm is there, I'd take him and then try and trade up and get Horvat or Risto. Maybe a smaller deal with Philly based around miller and #11. Lindholm + Horvat/Risto > Couturier.

If Lindholm is gone by 8, I'd be more open to it.

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I'm saving some of these comments about Couturier for future use. God forbid a 20 yr old hasn't had a huge offensive season in the NHL yet. Too bad he wasn't sent back to juniors to score eleventy billion points against overmatched kids these last two years, in which case he'd probably be a stud prospect in the eyes of the same people.
Never said I disliked him, and doubt he even gets the opportunity you've brought across as Giroux is locked into the number one center role for the next 10 years. I guess it could play out like it is in Pitts, but I doubt he ever puts up high offensive numbers on that team. I expect a max of a 45-55 point 2nd center who is good defensively. I just value Miller more than Jame does, but the goalie market is quite weak. I guess we will see what the true goalie market is when/if he is traded.

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Jame's deal would be fantastic.

Buffalo still gets a very good draft pick this draft as well as a very YOUNG and vital piece for the rebuild.

Some folks seem to forget that Couturier was once among the talk of being the 1st overall selection in 2011 before he slid to... wait for it... 8th overall.

Jame's deal is basically 8th overall for 8th overall. Only Couturier is just as good if not better than what's probably on the board at 8 any ways. AND he's ready to make an impact for Buffalo now. The kid's just 20 years old and he's got stud written all over him.

Sign me up for this everyday of the week.
So you're trading away Miller to move up five spots in the draft and to time travel two years into the future with the development of your 8th pick.

I don't hate it...

However, I suspect the Flyers could add.
I would take a 3rd but would really want Matt Read.

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Never said I disliked him, and doubt he even gets the opportunity you've brought across as Giroux is locked into the number one center role for the next 10 years. I guess it could play out like it is in Pitts, but I doubt he ever puts up high offensive numbers on that team. I expect a max of a 45-55 point 2nd center who is good defensively. I just value Miller more than Jame does, but the goalie market is quite weak. I guess we will see what the true goalie market is when/if he is traded.
Is that what you expect Monahan to be?
Why do you expect Lindholm to be better?

I see Couturier as a much more physical Patrice Bergeron.
Couturier was a better offensive player in the Q as compared to Bergie.

When Couturier gets the top 6 role, he'll be very similar offensively (more goals)

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