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07-01-2013, 12:41 PM
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I'm pretty sure Larsson will be the center getting the tougher assignments defensively. Thats assuming of course we don't sign anyone.
Porter?

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Porter?
They probably split the defensive duty as the 3rd and 4th line centers. I was thinking along the lines of the UFA someone thought we might get for that type of work. As in that player will probably be Larsson

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Miller+ for Simmonds.
Sign a top 9 center
Stafford for top-4 veteran defenseman.
Call it an offseason.

I'll do a line up:

Vanek-Hodgson-Ott
Foligino-XXX-Ennis
Leino-Grigs-Simmonds
Ott-Porter-Scott/Larsson
Larsson has a legit shot, too. Perhaps he takes Grigs/Scott/Porter spot. He'll likely be the first call up when injuries hit.

Ehrhoff-Myers
XXX-Pysyk
Weber-Mcnabb


Enroth/Hackett/Veteran UFA


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2013-2014 lineup:

Vanek-Hodgson-Okposo
Foligno-Ennis-Grigerenko
Leino-Horcoff-Ott
Girgensons-Porter-Kaleta
Scott, McCormick

Ehrhoff-Myers
Weber-Pysyk
McNabb-McBain (McGoalsAgainst pairing)

Enroth
Hackett
Where's Armia?

I thought he was due to step up this year?

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They probably split the defensive duty as the 3rd and 4th line centers. I was thinking along the lines of the UFA someone thought we might get for that type of work. As in that player will probably be Larsson
Gotcha/agreed.

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Miller+ for Simmonds.
Sign a 3rd line center
Sign a top 4 defenseman.
Call it an offseason.
those moves don't really fit with the full on rebuild

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07-01-2013, 12:59 PM
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Gotcha/agreed.
Barring trades/UFA signings, I see the center position like this for next season;

Hodgson
Grigs
Larsson/Porter
Porter/Larsson

If for some reason Grigs still isn't up to playing center in the NHL and gets sent back to juniors, Ennis slides back.

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Barring trades/UFA signings, I see the center position like this for next season;

Hodgson
Grigs
Larsson/Porter
Porter/Larsson

If for some reason Grigs still isn't up to playing center in the NHL and gets sent back to juniors. Then Ennis slides back.
agreed, but I think you can put Girgensons in that competition with Larsson and Porter.... at least heading in to training camp. (he could make the team as a winger too)

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agreed, but I think you can put Girgensons in that competition with Larsson and Porter.... at least heading in to training camp. (he could make the team as a winger too)
If Girgs makes the team I see him as a wing playing with Larsson.

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Where's Armia?

I thought he was due to step up this year?
He's coming over but I think he'll need to start in the AHL

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those moves don't really fit with the full on rebuild
The top-4 defenseman is just a stop gap for a year or two. Perhaps we can get a pick back as well. I don't want too much pressure on the young guys just yet. McNabb started off slow, but gained confidence. He's a real question mark. The newly drafted rookies are question marks as well.


I know we have a bunch of players who can grind and bring offense, but Simmonds has proven a lot already. He scored 28 goals 2 years ago. He produced well this year. We need some scoring on the wing. He'll bring it.

I also love his attitude, and I think he would be a great leader for the young guys.

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Any interest in Toni Lydman as someone to provide some leadership and experience at the back for the next 1-2 years ?

Aside from the odd crazy moment, I think he was very solid last time around. Have not really followed his game for Anaheim but can't imagine he has slipped all that much.

And on the subject of returning players - any chance Briere comes back as a stop gap ? Always read he was very settled in, and liked the Buffalo area. Would have thought he'd take a cheap deal if so....

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Miller+ for Simmonds.
Sign a 3rd line center
Stafford for top-4 veteran defenseman.
Call it an offseason.

I'll do a line up:

Vanek-Hodgson-Ott
Foligino-XXX-Ennis
Leino-Grigs-Simmonds
Ott-Porter-Scott
Larsson has a legit shot, too. Perhaps he takes Grigs spot. He'll likely be the first call up when injuries hit.

Ehrhoff-Myers
XXX-Pysyk
Weber-Mcnabb


Enroth/Hackett/Veteran UFA
IMO, there is no way PHI deals Simmonds - the f-ing Canucks sabotaged the value on starters yesterday. I presume Miller will be dealt for a cap dump & futures to a playoff team.

As for the #3C, I would love to see them go after Kyle Wellwood on a 1-2yr deal @ $1.7 per. Or Boyd Gordon of course... role players, great team guys.

If we going to deal Stafford for a d-man, I would like to see Regier go after Volchenkov from NJ - Devs forward depth sucks, could use a top-6 like Stafford to play with Zajac or Henrique. Would also be an amazing mentor for Zadorov and McNabb going forward (until 2015/16).

Buffalo should have (but couldn't) bought out Leino to open a spot up for a younger guy, but we ae not going to pay him $4.5M/yr to watch, so he will play.

Vanek-Hodgson-Ott
Ennis-Grigorenko-Armia
Foligno-Wellwood-Leino/Flynn
Girgensons-Larsson-Kaleta/Flynn
X. Scott, Tropp, Porter, Cat/Sundher

Ehrhoff-Myers
Volchenkov-Pysyk
Weber-McBain
X. Ruhwedel, McNabb, JGL

Enroth
Hackett
X. Lieuwen, Knapp

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Sooo no biters on Ehrhoff for Ryan? An opinion? Anything?

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Sooo no biters on Ehrhoff for Ryan? An opinion? Anything?
If nothing else, it looks bad for the organization. We sign a player to a career ending contract in UFA, and trade him two years into it?

It looked bad on the Flyers, and it'd look even worse on us.

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If nothing else, it looks bad for the organization. We sign a player to a career ending contract in UFA, and trade him two years into it?

It looked bad on the Flyers, and it'd look even worse on us.
I can definitely see what you're saying, but we're in a completely different place than we were two years ago, and people realize that. We signed him to help us contend for a cup, and everything went to ****. So now we're starting over, I don't think it would be ridiculous to send him to a contender and get younger in the process.

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I can definitely see what you're saying, but we're in a completely different place than we were two years ago, and people realize that. We signed him to help us contend for a cup, and everything went to ****. So now we're starting over, I don't think it would be ridiculous to send him to a contender and get younger in the process.
The Ducks aren't a contender. Last year was a bit of a mirage.

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I'd like to see the Sabres target Briere.

Of all the non-contending teams, we'd have the best shot at signing him due to his past connections to the team/area. Now whether that is enough to overcome the non-contending part I don't know, but worth a shot.

1) He provides solid leadership. We do have a vacant captaincy...
2) Center depth to help take some pressure off the young centers.

Now, will it hurt the tank? A little bit sure. But Briere's age/injury history should help keep that effect under control. The positives of having a leader like that in the room for these young kids I think is worth it.

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I can definitely see what you're saying, but we're in a completely different place than we were two years ago, and people realize that. We signed him to help us contend for a cup, and everything went to ****. So now we're starting over, I don't think it would be ridiculous to send him to a contender and get younger in the process.
Unless Ehrhoff requests a trade, moving him is a non starter.

He's a great 2-3 D-man signed reasonably.

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Lydman would be a nice signing.
Briere would too but he's gonna get offers from contenders

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I'd like to see the Sabres target Briere.

Of all the non-contending teams, we'd have the best shot at signing him due to his past connections to the team/area. Now whether that is enough to overcome the non-contending part I don't know, but worth a shot.

1) He provides solid leadership. We do have a vacant captaincy...
2) Center depth to help take some pressure off the young centers.

Now, will it hurt the tank? A little bit sure. But Briere's age/injury history should help keep that effect under control. The positives of having a leader like that in the room for these young kids I think is worth it.
It's simple:

A) He has a limited amount left in his career, and likely wants to finish off at a team at or near contention level
B) There is a totally different coaching staff here
C) His family has setup roots in the Philadelphia area and his kids are all of school age. My guess is he will take a gig in the tristate area (The Islanders make the most sense) and do what he can to stay near his family.

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If nothing else, it looks bad for the organization. We sign a player to a career ending contract in UFA, and trade him two years into it?

It looked bad on the Flyers, and it'd look even worse on us.
Very true - but, frankly, when looking at the reputation that Pegula and Regier presently have with the media and majority of fans, could it get any worse? And would either man really care? They don't seem to mind what other people's opinions of their decisions are.

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I'd like to see the Sabres target Briere.

Of all the non-contending teams, we'd have the best shot at signing him due to his past connections to the team/area. Now whether that is enough to overcome the non-contending part I don't know, but worth a shot.
There may be some merit to that but not as much as what you think IMO. If Vanek, Stafford and Miller leave this summer, there won't be a single player left from the roster that Briere played with in 2007. Ruff is no longer there. Other than Regier and the community, there's not much of a connection to his previous time as a Sabre.

I also think that all of the reports citing having access to his kids - who are now rooted in the PA/NJ area - are worth remembering as a major factor in his decision process.

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At this point I honestly don't care if the Sabres don't sign anyone for Buffalo. If they do, I'm fine with it being a bottom 6/bottom 4 guy. A guy like Briere is also fine, especially if it's a 1 year deal so he can re-sign with Philly, as it seemed like he was open to or even looking for that.

If they somehow decided to sign Horton I would flip my **** at how terrible an idea that is.

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At this point I honestly don't care if the Sabres don't sign anyone for Buffalo. If they do, I'm fine with it being a bottom 6/bottom 4 guy. A guy like Briere is also fine, especially if it's a 1 year deal so he can re-sign with Philly, as it seemed like he was open to or even looking for that.

If they somehow decided to sign Horton I would flip my **** at how terrible an idea that is.
This is my thinking. Briere is the only so called 'top 6' guy I'd like them to look at (I think Flip will get too much money/length).

I'm guessing that Briere would sign for 2-3 years max, and on the basis they (Sabres) would trade him back to Philly, or another contender of his choosing if it suited both parties.

My bottom six guy at this stage is Gordon. See a few others name him - seems ideal for where they are at the moment.

And my bottom four guy would be Lydman - anyone have any comments on this who might have watched him closer for the Ducks ?

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It's simple:

A) He has a limited amount left in his career, and likely wants to finish off at a team at or near contention level
B) There is a totally different coaching staff here
C) His family has setup roots in the Philadelphia area and his kids are all of school age. My guess is he will take a gig in the tristate area (The Islanders make the most sense) and do what he can to stay near his family.
He's divorced, are you sure his family actually lives in Philly?

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I also think that all of the reports citing having access to his kids - who are now rooted in the PA/NJ area - are worth remembering as a major factor in his decision process.

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