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07-02-2013, 10:29 AM
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So glad to hear Teppo is staying. I wasn't clear on that.

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07-02-2013, 10:35 AM
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Explain?
Scuderi-Myers
Sekera-Ehrhoff
Weber-Pysyk

was my theoretical defense before the draft. It gives Myers/Pysyk, the guys we're trying hardest to develop, four possible partners, and gives them each the ability to avoid shutdown minutes because Sekera-Error can play tough assignments in a pinch.

Ehrhoff-Myers
Weber-Pysyk
X-McBain/Risto/Ruh

means that a rookie/project is going to be playing those tough deployments regardless, and each of these projects only has three possible partners.

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07-02-2013, 10:37 AM
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Great conference!


Key things I liked:

- Signing veterans with character is a need.
-Signing or trading for scoring is a need
- Darcy is testing the market with Vanek and Miller (I hope Vanek wants to stay, though)
- No spots are guaranteed for rookies. They have to compete for them.
-Trades are opening up more.

Things I didn't like:
- The defense more-than-likely will not be toyed with.


Overall...the good outweighs the bad.

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07-02-2013, 10:39 AM
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Also, Grigorenko will be on the roster all year (no juniors and not eligible for AHL) and Regier will be in contact with Briere's agent.

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07-02-2013, 10:40 AM
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Scuderi-Myers
Sekera-Ehrhoff
Weber-Pysyk

was my theoretical defense before the draft. It gives Myers/Pysyk, the guys we're trying hardest to develop, four possible partners, and gives them each the ability to avoid shutdown minutes because Sekera-Error can play tough assignments in a pinch.

Ehrhoff-Myers
Weber-Pysyk
X-McBain/Risto/Ruh

means that a rookie/project is going to be playing those tough deployments regardless, and each of these projects only has three possible partners.
That's fair, if the entire focus is deployment...
But that doesn't fit with puck possesion zone exit and transition game... rolston knew this immediately.

having lefties on the right side, and trying to execute a quick puck transition game... it never worked, having lefties like Weber, Sekera, and Ehrhoff, etc on the right side allowed teams to defend our exit and transition with ease

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07-02-2013, 10:42 AM
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Hope to see good things from Grigorenko this year.

There's tweets that Darcy has contacted Briere's agent...Still don't know how to feel about this.

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07-02-2013, 10:42 AM
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Scuderi-Myers
Sekera-Ehrhoff
Weber-Pysyk

was my theoretical defense before the draft. It gives Myers/Pysyk, the guys we're trying hardest to develop, four possible partners, and gives them each the ability to avoid shutdown minutes because Sekera-Error can play tough assignments in a pinch.

Ehrhoff-Myers
Weber-Pysyk
X-McBain/Risto/Ruh

means that a rookie/project is going to be playing those tough deployments regardless, and each of these projects only has three possible partners.
So, it has to do with the development of our d corps in particular this year, not a larger principle that 4/2 would be more effective in general. Ok, that makes some sense. I still think that the 3/3 is more effective, and

Ehrhoff Myers
Weber Pysyk
McNabb McBain

will facilitate development as well.

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07-02-2013, 10:46 AM
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Great conference!


Key things I liked:

- Signing veterans with character is a need.
-Signing or trading for scoring is a need
- Darcy is testing the market with Vanek and Miller (I hope Vanek wants to stay, though)
- No spots are guaranteed for rookies. They have to compete for them.
-Trades are opening up more.

Things I didn't like:
- The defense more-than-likely will not be toyed with.


Overall...the good outweighs the bad.
This is the only comment that gives me pause, but we'll have to see how they implement it. Get futures and tank is basically my MO until 2015 at least. Bringing in a veteran winger who helps with a little scoring and a lot of leadership is not a problem. But I don't want to see them deal Vanek, e.g., for a guy who's not going to be here in 5 years.

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Hope to see good things from Grigorenko this year.

There's tweets that Darcy has contacted Briere's agent...Still don't know how to feel about this.
Having Briere as a mentor for some of the young forwards would be fantastic, I'm not sure why there's so much apprehension surrounding his potential return. He took Giroux and Couturier under his wing in Philly and they're turning out pretty good

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I haven't listened to it yet -- odd to see bullet points that rookies have to earn spots and then that Grigorenko will be here all year.

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Great conference!


Key things I liked:

- Signing veterans with character is a need.
-Signing or trading for scoring is a need
- Darcy is testing the market with Vanek and Miller (I hope Vanek wants to stay, though)
- No spots are guaranteed for rookies. They have to compete for them.
-Trades are opening up more.

Things I didn't like:
- The defense more-than-likely will not be toyed with.


Overall...the good outweighs the bad.
Except Grigorenko who will be in the NHL.

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07-02-2013, 10:49 AM
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Having Briere as a mentor for some of the young forwards would be fantastic, I'm not sure why there's so much apprehension surrounding his potential return. He took Giroux and Couturier under his wing in Philly and they're turning out pretty good
He's 35 turning 36 and has injuries to boot. Also I don't remember much character in his personality. When he was playing for Buffalo he was young. This is different.

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Hope to see good things from Grigorenko this year.

There's tweets that Darcy has contacted Briere's agent...Still don't know how to feel about this.
Who's tweeting this? I haven't seen it yet.

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Having Briere as a mentor for some of the young forwards would be fantastic, I'm not sure why there's so much apprehension surrounding his potential return. He took Giroux and Couturier under his wing in Philly and they're turning out pretty good
I'm very okay with bringing Briere in. He doesn't have enough gas left to really lift the team out of the basement, but he also is a guy who used to play at an elite level without a ton of physical gifts and has a lot of smarts to pass down. Would be even more okay with bringing him in if he was okay with being dealt to a contender at the deadline.

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Except Grigorenko who will be in the NHL.
I think it's probably fair to say that going back to Junior will not serve Grigorenko is any way. So he's guaranteed a spot among 23, but he won't be guaranteed a spot in the lineup every night.

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He's 35 turning 36 and has injuries to boot.
Irrelevant. We're not bringing him in to win.

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He's 35 turning 36 and has injuries to boot. Also I don't remember much character in his personality. When he was playing for Buffalo he was young. This is different.

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I haven't listened to it yet -- odd to see bullet points that rookies have to earn spots and then that Grigorenko will be here all year.
Correct me if I am wrong, but there's sort of nowhere else for him to go right?

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I think they are going to throw big money at Clarkson. Scoring + character. Check, check.

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Having Briere as a mentor for some of the young forwards would be fantastic, I'm not sure why there's so much apprehension surrounding his potential return. He took Giroux and Couturier under his wing in Philly and they're turning out pretty good
I sort of feel that way as well. But it just seems like it could be odd. But I bet fans would love it. And he's a veteran that could definitely help.

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He's 35 turning 36 and has injuries to boot. Also I don't remember much character in his personality. When he was playing for Buffalo he was young. This is different.
@pham1717: Regier said they have contacted Briere's agent

@BillHoppeNHL: Darcy said #Sabres will be contacting Danny Briere

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Re: Grigorenko

Is it possible that Darcy's firm stance on Grigs not going back to the Q is a little bit of posturing? If Grigs is released from his Q contract, he's eligible to play in the AHL, correct?

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Is it possible that Darcy's firm stance on Grigs not going back to the Q is a little bit of posturing? If Grigs is released from his Q contract, he's eligible to play in the AHL, correct?
But by the time we hit camp, the Sabres will probably have lost their two best forwards since the lat time Grigs was here. Maybe one goes to a veteran UFA, but there's just going to be a spot, and it makes too much sense for Grigs to fill it.

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I think they are going to throw big money at Clarkson. Scoring + character. Check, check.
I doubt it... and im not that interested
... maybe interested if we dump Stafford.

Clarkson is a less offensively talented, more physical, better leader version of Stafford... I dont want both @ ~4.0 per...


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Does anyone know what Grigorenko's weight was last year? The main thing I remember from his stint up here was how lanky and weak he was for someone his size. Obviously that has to do with how young he was. I wonder how much he put can put on in one year.

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This is the only comment that gives me pause, but we'll have to see how they implement it. Get futures and tank is basically my MO until 2015 at least. Bringing in a veteran winger who helps with a little scoring and a lot of leadership is not a problem. But I don't want to see them deal Vanek, e.g., for a guy who's not going to be here in 5 years.
I don't see the need to tank anymore. I think we have our foundation. We're built from the Defense out. We have hard working two-way forwards who can chip in offensively. We can use some more scoring depth, but those prospects can be drafted in the early teens. We do have some elite offensive potential in Armia and Grigorenko, but they're risky projects.

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Except Grigorenko who will be in the NHL.
I didn't catch that, but Grigorenko is an odd case. Regier did say Armia, Larsson, Grigs, and Girgs will be battling it out in training camp. He won't be gift wrapped a spot...I hope.

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