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07-17-2013, 09:51 AM
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Eh, Regier's trade history with Lombardi is stronger than many, why burn that relationship? Just make the trade offer, see if something can be worked out.
good point.

"Hey Deano, we really like Clifford, we've had conversations with his agent, and we have a deal worked out. The compensation would be a 3rd round pick. Is that fair compensation for you? Would you like me to toss in a 6th rounder because we're friends? Would you like to match the offersheet and continue to work on a trade?"

I think the negative perception of the offersheet is fan created....

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good point.

"Hey Deano, we really like Clifford, we've had conversations with his agent, and we have a deal worked out. The compensation would be a 3rd round pick. Is that fair compensation for you? Would you like me to toss in a 6th rounder because we're friends? Would you like to match the offersheet and continue to work on a trade?"

I think the negative perception of the offersheet is fan created....
Yeah, I just edit'd my post to the same sort of thing -- use the OS as a point of leverage, even just by asking about it.

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Eh, Regier's trade history with Lombardi is stronger than many, why burn that relationship? Just make the trade offer, see if something can be worked out.
Yeah, a trade should be able to be worked out. They just acquired Carcillo, and they already have guys like Nolan and King in their bottom-6. Clifford appears cumulative at this point. For Clifford alone, I'd throw them a 3rd rounder, which should be between 61-70 next year.

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07-17-2013, 12:53 PM
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I'd see if the Kings might want one of the 2nds from the Regehr trade back. Yes, yes... too much.

I don't think I'd go OS on anyone, even if it's an option. Considering the precidents it sets, it's a risk for someone on the bottom-6 that I wouldn't want to establish.
i mentioned this in the main thread about the fact Buffalo had LA 2nds the next 2 years. Sending one back is a no brainer to me.


He was picked at 35 in I think 2008 or 2009. Sending LA back one of their 2nd. that pick would be in the 50s.

Besides offer sheeting another persons player would burn a bridge, it also means Buffalo would have to give up its own 2nd round pick which would be in the 30s.

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I'd love to get Clifford...
would you trade a 3rd rounder for him? I would...
maybe we should just offersheet him? the Kings only have ~2 million in cap space....
We have 3 second rounders next year, 38, 46 and 57. Give them 57 for him.

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07-17-2013, 01:35 PM
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Looks like St. Louis is trying to clear a little salary with this Perron move, any chance they're back in on Miller, or do you think the move is strictly for RFA's?
Absolutely they could be interested, they need cap space for pietrangelo and stewart. So why not send Halak to Edmonton for a 2014 2nd. Then Miller o the Blues for that pick and Oshie, we retain some salary.

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We have 3 second rounders next year, 38, 46 and 57. Give them 57 for him.
That's quite the crystal ball you've got there

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07-17-2013, 01:38 PM
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Absolutely they could be interested, they need cap space for pietrangelo and stewart. So why not send Halak to Edmonton for a 2014 2nd. Then Miller o the Blues for that pick and Oshie, we retain some salary.
St Louis isn't giving up Oshie for Miller.

Let alone Oshie+ for Miller.


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I'd love for them to get after Clifford to man the fourth-line LW spot.



Leino-Hodgson-Vanek
Ennis-Grigorenko-Stafford
Foligno-Larsson-Ott
Clifford-Porter-Kaleta

That bottom six is actually pretty solid. Littered with battlers and 200-foot players.

Sprinkle in some Tropp and Flynn and they're at least icing a hungry lineup.

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07-17-2013, 01:41 PM
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I'm going to read between the lines for a minute here. St Louis has a large surplus of forwards and wants to upgrade in goal?

So, a deal I could see:

To Buffalo: TJ Oshie, Halak, 2014 2nd (Edmonton's)
To St Louis: Miller

St. Louis clears extra salary to re-up their RFAs, upgrades their goalie.

Buffalo in turn sends Halak packing to Edmonton for a mid round pick+ prospect

This now opens the doors for the Vanek trade when Regier goes into Jedi Mindtrick mode:

To Buffalo: Okposo, Strome
To NYI: Vanek (2 million retained)
Love this. I just posted something similar but without the Strome/vanek part. I like his deal better than mine.


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Although I don't think you get Okposo just Strome. Unless you throw in Ennis and a Dman.


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Although I don't think you get Okposo just Strome.
I doubt the Isles give up Okposo or Strome for one year of Vanek.

And they aren't re-signing him.

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Adam and '14 second for Clifford and ?

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Adam and '14 second for Clifford and ?
That's it. We have three 2nd rounders next year 38, 46 and 57. 57 and Adam should do it I would think.

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I doubt the Isles give up Okposo or Strome for one year of Vanek.

And they aren't re-signing him.
Unless of course the Sabres add McNabb. Vanek and Tavares would be incredible playing together. He would finally have a chance to play with a true #1 center. He would score 40.

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St Louis isn't giving up Oshie for Miller.

Let alone Oshie+ for Miller.

You may be right, we could add Ennis. So Miller and Ennis for Oshie and a 2nd.

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You may be right, we could add Ennis. So Miller and Ennis for Oshie and a 2nd.
Ennis > Oshie

Miller > 2nd

So, what are we doing here?

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That's it. We have three 2nd rounders next year 38, 46 and 57. 57 and Adam should do it I would think.
This is the second time on this page you've stated that we have those picks. I'm pretty confused how you are coming up with those #s for a draft that is a year away.

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Unless of course the Sabres add McNabb. Vanek and Tavares would be incredible playing together. He would finally have a chance to play with a true #1 center. He would score 40.
I don't think McNabb has that much trade value.

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07-17-2013, 02:51 PM
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This is the second time on this page you've stated that we have those picks. I'm pretty confused how you are coming up with those #s for a draft that is a year away.
Thy are ballpark based on how teams finished this past season.


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This is the second time on this page you've stated that we have those picks. I'm pretty confused how you are coming up with those #s for a draft that is a year away.
I'm guessing he's using this year's slots.

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Ennis > Oshie

Miller > 2nd

So, what are we doing here?
I doubt too many GMs think that Ennis a year away from RFA has more trade value than Oshie.

Their career PPG are similiar (Oshie has a slight edge .67 vs .66) and Oshie has the more well rounded game.

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07-17-2013, 03:02 PM
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Ennis > Oshie

Miller > 2nd

So, what are we doing here?
your in the minority on that one

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I doubt too many GMs think that Ennis a year away from RFA has more trade value than Oshie.

Their career PPG are similiar (Oshie has a slight edge .67 vs .66) and Oshie has the more well rounded game.
I think that deal could work but we will see. The Miller to the Blues chatter just will not go away. The Blues need to sign pietrangelo and stewart so something has to give. Oshie is probably the odd man out then. If they send Halak to say Edmonton or somewhere for a pick they free up some cap space.

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I doubt too many GMs think that Ennis a year away from RFA has more trade value than Oshie.

Their career PPG are similiar (Oshie has a slight edge .67 vs .66) and Oshie has the more well rounded game.
More well rounded? I guess by that, you mean he's thicker. Ennis can play center or wing, has played in as a two way forward, and all things considered did pretty well. Ennis is very well rounded and very versatile, something that Oshie is not. Not to mention, Oshie is 4 years older.

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