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06-29-2013, 09:55 PM
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Another reason why Grabovski needs to go, he keeps giving the momentum to the opposing team by taking dumb hits. The guy doesn't have the brains or the size to play for the Leafs. Awful player that is useless physically. Here's a sample of his work, some of it is actually pretty funny.
He skates with his head down a lot. I would say that he has the classic European style of trying to finesse your way around people, but I don't want to sound too much like Grapes.

It almost seems like all the talent will be wasted if the Leafs give up on him. He's a quality player, but you're right he does do a lot of stuff where you question if he's actually thinking.

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Play him with actual offensive talent & don't bury him by starting him in the defensive zone all the time. Trading him would be a mistake, trading him to sign Bozak to a bad contract would be an even bigger mistake.

I would have liked to seen the numbers Tyler Bozak would have put up this year playing with Jay McClement & Leo Komarov as his wingers, starting almost all the time in the defensive zone. I'm sure they would have been fantastic...

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06-29-2013, 10:35 PM
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Some excellent posts in this thread.
It's obvious that most of the herd have no clue how Mcclement has been utilized. Grabovski was our primary shut down guy, and that's because we're terrible in that regard. He, in contrast, was used against third and fourth scrubs.

McClement is no Bolland or Steen, he's a fourth line $1.5 million per defensive-zone specialist. People are getting turned on by someone who isn't being consistently tasked to take on the top lines. If he was better than Grabobski ( who is ATROCIOUS at this role), Jay McClement would've at least been given more minutes than Joe Colborne in the last two critical games.

That being said, I am okay with moving Grabovski, but we're going to need someone else to replace him. Bolland is a possibility or try to groom Kadri into that role with some stronger wingers. I think Kulemin could work in that role, and as a winger he's been utilized a lot more than McClement as well.

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06-29-2013, 10:42 PM
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It's obvious that most of the herd have no clue how Mcclement has been utilized. Grabovski was our primary shut down guy, and that's because we're terrible in that regard. He, in contrast, was used against third and fourth scrubs.

McClement is no Bolland or Steen, he's a fourth line $1.5 million per defensive-zone specialist. People are getting turned on by someone who isn't being consistently tasked to take on the top lines. If he was better than Grabobski ( who is ATROCIOUS at this role), Jay McClement would've at least been given more minutes than Joe Colborne in the last two critical games.

That being said, I am okay with moving Grabovski, but we're going to need someone else to replace him. Bolland is a possibility or try to groom Kadri into that role with some stronger wingers. I think Kulemin could work in that role, and as a winger he's been utilized a lot more than McClement as well.
I don't think Grabovski is a fit on a contending team any which way you cut it, he's not better than most #2C's on contending teams, and certainly is not on this team. And he has proven to be a very bad shutdown C also.

What does this make Grabo, as proven he is a okay #2C on a lottery team. Which he was prior to this past season.

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06-29-2013, 10:47 PM
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He skates with his head down a lot. I would say that he has the classic European style of trying to finesse your way around people, but I don't want to sound too much like Grapes.

It almost seems like all the talent will be wasted if the Leafs give up on him. He's a quality player, but you're right he does do a lot of stuff where you question if he's actually thinking.
Grabo at 30 is pretty much a known player now, for all his talent, he gets very little production out of it. He doesn't make anyone better around him and he isn't the best defensively player either as evidenced by his lack of PK time.

What he does well is have good possession stats, but that doesn't mean anything really. Means he over handles the puck with not one iota of using his teammates. It's when he turns over the puck when losing possession he turns into a big liability. His defensive awareness is not good, certainly behind Bozak, Kadri, and Mcclement on our team.

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06-29-2013, 10:57 PM
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Grabovski is overpaid. Over the years, he has grown on me. He had a terrible year but when it came down to it, I would not buy him out yet. In the playoffs I did a 180 on his season. I know it was only 7 games but he gave everything he had. He showed a ton of heart in the playoffs against Boston, he did not back down from the big boys. It was inspiring to watch. He is not very big but he plays with a ton of emotion. His 5.5 million is an issue. Id give him one more year and if repeated part ways with him. Id let Bozak walk. Bozak can win the lottery with another team at 5 million. He has not backed up that kind of money with his play. Maybe in a desparate centerman market he cashes in. I wouldnt want the Leafs to make this mistake. Id give Vinny 4 million territory. Id have Vinny, Nazem, Grabo and mcClement as my centerman. Id have Colborne playing wing in the Top 9 with D'Amigo given every opportunity at camp to take Komarov's spot with a PK role as well.

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06-30-2013, 03:30 PM
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Grabovski's agent had Burke bent over a barrel. The contract is bad, the player is not. I'm a huge fan of Grabovski and I thought it was a typo when I read $5.5mil.

With his skill and work ethic I don't expect the poor play will continue next season. The way he turned it on in the playoffs tells you what you need to know about how he'll contribute when it's most important. I'm still confused as to how Carlyle thought it was a good idea to use him as a shutdown centre with lesser wingers, and then instead of trying to get him going offensively played him with Orr and Komarov. Those experiments failed, I hope Carlyle realizes that.

And for people with short memories, when Grabo/Kule/Mac all had career years on a line together under Wilson they excelled in all three zones. They scored off the rush, they scored off the cycle, they scored off turnovers, they backchecked, they dominated puck possession. This idea that anything accomplished under Wilson somehow doesn't count is ignorant. That line was magic, and it stopped because Kulemin forgot how to play hockey. Grabovski was playing just as well the next season.

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06-30-2013, 09:44 PM
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With the signing of Bolland, Grabovski is freed up to centre a scoring line once again, and he'll do just fine.

His season wasn't disappointing - it was the result of using him in nearly purely a defensive capacity, evidenced by 36.7% offensive zone starts.

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With the signing of Bolland, Grabovski is freed up to centre a scoring line once again, and he'll do just fine.

His season wasn't disappointing - it was the result of using him in nearly purely a defensive capacity, evidenced by 36.7% offensive zone starts.
If he does get a top-6 role again, it's not because we signed Bolland, but because we didn't sign Bozak or another top-6 center.

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06-30-2013, 10:36 PM
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I don't think Grabovski is a fit on a contending team any which way you cut it, he's not better than most #2C's on contending teams, and certainly is not on this team. And he has proven to be a very bad shutdown C also.

What does this make Grabo, as proven he is a okay #2C on a lottery team. Which he was prior to this past season.
Grabs was the best centre - if not forward - in the shut down role. He was possession positive. However, now that we have Bolland, he should be allowed to play an offensive role. As I said, we're not going to be using McClement in the middle, and I'm pretty certain Colborne will be tried out as well.

I just hope that Kulemin is allowed to play a top six role. He seems to have a much more higher offensive upside than Clarkson and is pretty tough as well.

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06-30-2013, 11:00 PM
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With centre Tyler Bozak headed to unrestricted free agency this week, adding Bolland gives Nonis more options. He could let Bozak go elsewhere and start the season with Nazem Kadri, Mikhail Grabovski, Bolland and Jay McClement as the Leafs centres. Or, if Nonis thinks he can land a No. 1 centre in another trade or as a free agent (Vincent Lecavalier is a longshot), he could give a compliance buyout to Grabovski, who is not head coach Randy Carlyle’s kind of player. Grabovski has four years left on his contract for a total of $21-million, so a buyout would cost the Leafs $14-million over eight years.

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06-30-2013, 11:08 PM
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Not a chance Grabo would get bought out. There is only 4 years left on that deal and Grabo was a very good 2nd line center prior to last year.

If Colorado found a new home for David Jones then Grabo could certainly find a new home.

I have a feeling Grabo is going to really bounce back next year and that the stomach ailment that he saw a specialist for was affecting him more then we know.

I'd still like to see the team sign another center whether it be Vinny, Weiss, Ribiero or Roy. Then if we can still fit Grabo into the cap move him to the wing where I've always thought he'd be a better fit cause he'd have less defensive responsibilities and could use his speed to keep Dmen on their toes coming out of our zone.

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As others have mentioned, it's really about what the Leafs think they can do in regards to centres.

If they can get a Lecavalier/Weiss/Bozak/Stastny, then move Grabo out and be done with it. Otherwise, slot him back into a top 6 role, and continue to look while also shopping Kessel.

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