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06-23-2013, 04:22 AM
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People forget Ebs played a big stretch with a big cast this year. Broke his finger and hindered his shot.

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06-23-2013, 06:45 AM
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I think that Dan Girardi is the type of defensemen that Edmonton is looking for right now. What would EDM have to give up?

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$3,325,000 for one more year
One of the big 4. A top shut down defenseman who has been that with pretty much everyone he's played with is not cheap.

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06-23-2013, 07:02 AM
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One of the big 4. A top shut down defenseman who has been that with pretty much everyone he's played with is not cheap.
Sure thing, mate. Isn't the guy a UFA in one year? No thanks. Keep him.

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06-23-2013, 07:06 AM
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Sure thing, mate. Isn't the guy a UFA in one year? No thanks. Keep him.
I will. What do u expect to give up for a top RHD?

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06-23-2013, 07:08 AM
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Maybe for McD we could give up Ebs, but even then I would still think long and hard.
Rangers wouldn't even consider it

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06-23-2013, 07:19 AM
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I will. What do u expect to give up for a top RHD?
If the player is signed for a long time or is a pending RFA... a lot more that anyone is willing to give up for a rental.

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06-23-2013, 07:23 AM
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If the player is signed for a long time or is a pending RFA... a lot more that anyone is willing to give up for a rental.
That's true he might not want to resign with a young team like Edmonton. So what WOULD you offer then?

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06-23-2013, 07:30 AM
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You may be right but the value is closer then what you gave it credit for imo. Edmonton would have to add a smaller piece probably(prospect or 2nd rounder maybe).
Maybe value wise but the Rangers would never do it. McDonagh is too important to the team. He is the last defenseman they'd trade and one of the most untouchable players on the team. He should be locked up long term this offseason and not simply given a bridge contract.

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06-23-2013, 08:59 AM
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Again, Girardi will not be traded cheap even with only one year left, without him the right side looks pretty weak on the Rangers.

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06-23-2013, 10:18 AM
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McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Stralman
Del Zotto-Moore

Who replaces Girardi? Stralman?

Want Girardi? Be prepared to overpay. We're not going to cripple our defense core for another RW in Eberle.

Girardi to Edm - not happening.

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06-23-2013, 10:20 AM
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Eberle is good yes, but he is not a TRUE 1st wing.

your argument with that he has 76 points in a bad team is just ****..

Clarke MacArthur was 2 points from winning the leafs points in one season, doesnt mean he is amazing just becuase of that.

Eberle is good, but he is small and imo he will be around 70 points mark, not over 80
Good players can play on bad teams.

Some Rangers fans were probably using the counter arguments for Rick Nash's lack of production for years in Columbus because he 'played on a bad team'.

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06-23-2013, 10:55 AM
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Rather just offersheet McDonagh. 5 years, 6.2 per. If the Rangers match, then Girardi likely hits UFA next off-season.

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06-23-2013, 11:13 AM
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Throwing offer-sheets around when you have RNH, Yakupov, and Schultz coming up for RFA deals probably isn't the best move, not to mention Petry, Gagner, and MPS.

Regardless McD would be instantly matched at that price. We're buying out Richards, we have tons of cap. Giving McDonagh maybe 1.5m above what we'd be paying him anyway isn't going to stop us from re-signing Girardi.

You want Girardi? One of your first overalls.

Don't like it? Don't ask for our #1 RHD and our #1 d-man since the lockout that has been the heart and soul of our team since the lockout. Especially since our RHD depth after Girardi is Stralman, Eminger, and Bickel if McIlrath isn't ready to go.

You want a d-man from New York? Better chance getting MDZ or Staal.

Still gonna cost one of your big four though.

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06-23-2013, 11:44 AM
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Oh, absolutely. I just dont know why they wouldnt keep that and draft Nurse, etc. Im not sure the Rangers would do it just because of Girardi's value to them.

I think that's fair though.

What Edmonton should do is either draft Nurse at 7 (assuming he's there), or trade down and pick up a role player. Here me out on this. Let's say

Trade down with a team like the Isles for Frans Nielson and their pick.
Draft Pulock, Morin or even Morrissey with that pick. Preferably Pulock
Trade Hemsky for a 25-27 yr old D like Jakub Kindl
Sign a guy like Scuderi

That would go a long way into putting down a more stable team.
That doesn't sound bad. What about Cizikas instead if Nielson?

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Eberle is good yes, but he is not a TRUE 1st wing.

your argument with that he has 76 points in a bad team is just ****..

Clarke MacArthur was 2 points from winning the leafs points in one season, doesnt mean he is amazing just becuase of that.

Eberle is good, but he is small and imo he will be around 70 points mark, not over 80
70 points is still really good. Plus Eberle has already turned into more than what 90% or people thought he would be when he was drafted.

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06-23-2013, 01:26 PM
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Eberle is good yes, but he is not a TRUE 1st wing.

your argument with that he has 76 points in a bad team is just ****..

Clarke MacArthur was 2 points from winning the leafs points in one season, doesnt mean he is amazing just becuase of that.

Eberle is good, but he is small and imo he will be around 70 points mark, not over 80
70 pts is a first line winger...

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I think that Dan Girardi is the type of defensemen that Edmonton is looking for right now. What would EDM have to give up?

Dan Girardi:

$3,325,000 for one more year
i think hes the perfect dman rangers need sorry youd have to give us a lot to get him.. like Hall..

hes to valuable for rangers.. and is an allstar top 4 rhd man.. and the only one we have.. not replaceable and youd have to give up a lot to get him..

if we're talking MDZ then we can work with that..


FYI stop with these girardi threads.. he honestly would be the last dman moved.. bc that particular position is the hardest to get besides a number 1c..

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06-23-2013, 01:58 PM
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i think hes the perfect dman rangers need sorry youd have to give us a lot to get him.. like Hall..

hes to valuable for rangers.. and is an allstar top 4 rhd man.. and the only one we have.. not replaceable and youd have to give up a lot to get him..

if we're talking MDZ then we can work with that..


FYI stop with these girardi threads.. he honestly would be the last dman moved.. bc that particular position is the hardest to get besides a number 1c..
Del Zotto for Peckham and Musil?

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06-23-2013, 03:17 PM
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Girardi would cost something Edmonton wouldn't want to give.

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Eberle is good yes, but he is not a TRUE 1st wing.

your argument with that he has 76 points in a bad team is just ****..

Clarke MacArthur was 2 points from winning the leafs points in one season, doesnt mean he is amazing just becuase of that.

Eberle is good, but he is small and imo he will be around 70 points mark, not over 80
Last time I checked, around 70 points is a true first line winger. Not every first liner is a perennial all star you know.

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Last time I checked, around 70 points is a true first line winger. Not every first liner is a perennial all star you know.
I agree, but I think Eberle will be a ppg player in the future. Playing with RNH and Hall will help in a few years. I also think he's one of the most underrated and overlooked players in the league.

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Del Zotto for Peckham and Musil?


Why even bother..

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Might want to check his completely unsustainable shooting percentage...

I think he's more of the player you saw this year than in 2011-2012. This year, he had a shooting percentage that you'd expect from him. He had some insane puck luck in 2011-2012. I really wouldn't be surprised if he never has another season like that again.
You mean the one with a broken finger on his shooting hand ? Let someone break your finger then try and shoot a puck , see if there a difference ?

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You mean the one with a broken finger on his shooting hand ? Let someone break your finger then try and shoot a puck , see if there a difference ?
Ohhhh. Nice excuses for a guy who regressed to the mean.


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No **** your going to have a worse shooting percentage when u have a broken finger it's not just regressing to the mean. I don't think eberle is going to shoot at 18% but I think 14-15% isn't unreasonable for a player like him. Another reason his points regressed was that Krueger played him on a tough minute line starting as much in the O zone as the D, while renney gave 60% zone starts against easy competition, so he had to adjust. Also his shooting rate is up so it is entirely conceivable that he could put up similar points to his 11-12 season

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