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View Poll Results: Who do you want the Isles' #1 goaltender to be?
Evgeni Nabokov 20 12.20%
Kevin Poulin 3 1.83%
Anders Nilsson 5 3.05%
Ryan Miller 31 18.90%
Jonas Hiller 17 10.37%
Jaroslav Halak 11 6.71%
Anton Khudobin 35 21.34%
Roberto Luongo 27 16.46%
Mike Smith 8 4.88%
Other 7 4.27%
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06-25-2013, 02:04 PM
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This is funny AND true. I have no idea why this is in the goalie thread though.

Brock Nelson (as with all players) is his own player with unique style of play and skills. It's fun to compare to other players. Personally I think he most closely resembles Travis Zajac, although Nelson is a better skater. He also has some Jordan Staal in him (though not nearly as tough or strong in the corners). And I also think he has some Ryan Kesler in him, though again not as tough as Kesler used to be and Kesler is better in front of the net and Nelson makes his money 10-15 out in the circle/slot with deadly wrist shots.

He has a nice blend of (Zajac/Staal/Kesler) in him, and will be a real nice hockey player, probably as quickly as next year. I just hope he is used correctly (whch I have no confidence in Capuano to use him and develop him correctly at the NHL level). But no question, Brock Nelson is THE Next Brock Nelson
As long as he doesn't dive like Kesler.



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As long as he doesn't dive like Kesler.


LOL, I remember that. I believe Kesler drew a penalty on that dive. Mitchell gave him not one but three cross checks after the whistle (in front of the net, side of the net, then behind the net). And the third one Kesler flopped because he knew he would get the call.

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FLYERS USE COMPLIANCE BUYOUT ON GOALTENDER BRYZGALOV

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=426278

If he comes cheap this could be our answer. Paired with Nabby (who would probably do wonders for his confidence) this might be the best way to go. Then draft Fucale and goaltending will be set for a long time to come.

Offer 2 years - $2,500,000 a year? That way we aren't risking much.

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I'll pass on the Space Bear, thanks.

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FLYERS USE COMPLIANCE BUYOUT ON GOALTENDER BRYZGALOV

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=426278

If he comes cheap this could be our answer. Paired with Nabby (who would probably do wonders for his confidence) this might be the best way to go. Then draft Fucale and goaltending will be set for a long time to come.

Offer 2 years - $2,500,000 a year? That way we aren't risking much.
I am on board lol.

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Bryz is the antithesis of a snow signing with regards to character. Don't see it happening.

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Bryz is the antithesis of a snow signing with regards to character. Don't see it happening.
Don't confuse character and personality. He didn't get to where he was if he had poor character. He's a colorful personality. So is Nabby. Together they might be really good for each other. With a young team a couple of veteran goalies with senses of humor are a good fit.


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Don't confuse character and personality. He didn't get to where he was if he had poor character. He's a colorful personality. So is Nabby. Together they might be really good for each other. With a young team a couple of veteran goalies with senses of humor are a good fit.
Not for nothing, but this guy got torched after he left Phoenix as well.

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Anton is the guy I hope the Islanders go after big time.
Seriously, i think everyone is forgetting about Emery.
He has always had a good gpa.
Would make a great back up for a year or two for a mil a year.
Give our boys another year to mature.
Lets stay away from the older goalies...

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There is definately a reason why bryz is getting bought out of his contract....he blows

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There is definately a reason why bryz is getting bought out of his contract....he blows
No, Philadelphia's defense blows. Before coming to Phily he had one substandard NHL year. There is nothing wrong with this guy's NHL career outside of Phily. He just got caught up with a very familiar issue to Islander fans - a stupid contract that no one could live up to.

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Year Team League GP W L OT Min. GA SA GAA PCT SO PIM OTGA OTW SOS SOG
2012-13 Philadelphia NHL 40 19 17 3 2298 107 1066 2.79 .900 1 0 - - - -
2012-13 CSKA KHL 12 6 5 0 647 23 265 2.13 .913 0 - - - - -
2012-13 Russia WC 4 3 1 - 218 8 81 2.20 .901 1 - - - - -
2011-12 Philadelphia NHL 59 33 16 7 3415 141 1554 2.48 .909 6 4 - 5 - -
2010-11 Phoenix NHL 68 36 20 10 4060 168 2125 2.48 .921 7 2 - 2 - -
2009-10 Phoenix NHL 69 42 20 6 4084 156 1961 2.29 .920 8 - - 5
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2009-10 Russia Olympic 2 0 1 - 101 3 52 1.78 .942 0 - - - - -
2008-09 Phoenix NHL 65 26 31 6 3760 187 1994 2.98 .906 3 4 - - - -
2008-09 Russia WC - - - - 404 14 198 2.08 - 1 - - - - -
2007-08 Phoenix NHL 55 26 22 5 3167 128 1621 2.42 .921 3 - - - - -
2007-08 Anaheim NHL 9 2 3 1 447 19 208 2.55 .909 0 - - - - -
2007-08 Total Ana/Phx NHL 64 28 25 6 3614 147 1829 2.44 .920 3 - - - - -
2006-07 Anaheim NHL 27 10 8 6 1509 62 668 2.46 .907 1 - - - - -
2005-06 Anaheim NHL 31 13 12 1 1575 66 733 2.51 .910 1 - - - - -

2005-06 Russia Olympic 1 0 1 - 60 5 36 5.00 .861 0 - - - - -
2004-05 Cincinnati AHL 36 17 13 - 2007 87 886 2.60 .902 4 - - - - -
2004-05 Russia W-Cup 3 2 1 - 180 7 68 2.34 - 0 - - - - -
2003-04 Anaheim NHL 1 1 0 - 60 2 28 2.00 .929 0 - - - - -
2003-04 Cincinnati AHL 64 27 25 - 3748 145 1789 2.32 .919 6 - - - - -
2002-03 Cincinnati AHL 54 12 26 - 3020 142 1579 2.82 .910 1 - - - - -
2001-02 Anaheim NHL 1 0 0 - 32 1 12 1.88 .917 0 - - - - -
2001-02 Cincinnati AHL 45 20 16 - 2399 99 1185 2.48 .916 4

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No, Philadelphia's defense blows. Before coming to Phily he had one substandard NHL year. There is nothing wrong with this guy's NHL career outside of Phily. He just got caught up with a very familiar issue to Islander fans - a stupid contract that no one could live up to.
I agree with those in here that think Bryz can post better numbers with a better team in front of him, and a better defensive system. That said...

Our defense isn't exactly hell on wheels. Just look at those goals against, and where have we improved? There are the incremental improvements for Hamonic, the improvement of Vis over Streit, but MacD had a worse year last year, and we made some improvements in 3rd liners in Hickey and Strait. Next year we add a rookie, a good one, but still a rookie. Our goaltender for next year needs to be technically awesome and hopefully better than a screen door in the playoffs. I don't see Bryz in that light, or our team playing conservatively enough to aid him via our defensive zone system.

Can't we go get a solid, proven goaltender with a good 5 years left on his tires for once? I am sick of employing the lame, the aged, or the fatally flawed.


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I agree with those in here that think Bryz can post better numbers with a better team in front of him, and a better defensive system.
And Mike Smith's stats this year, playing in Dave Tippett's defense-first system, were very similar to Bryz' 2011-12 Phily stats:

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34 15 12 5 1956 84 938 2.58 .910 5

And if Smith were given a stupid contract they would have called for his head on a platter too.

Buy low, sell high. For the right price Bryz can be the next successful Islander reclamation project. A few years until Poulin/Nilsson/Fucale (I hope!) are ready to take over.

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Please stay away from Smith/Miller/Bryzgalov/Halak. That's all I ask.

I'm probably the only one on the bring Reimer boat, but I'd have ZERO regrets about moving our first for him this year.

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And Mike Smith's stats this year, playing in Dave Tippett's defense-first system, were very similar to Bryz' 2011-12 Phily stats:

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34 15 12 5 1956 84 938 2.58 .910 5

And if Smith were given a stupid contract they would have called for his head on a platter too.

Buy low, sell high. For the right price Bryz can be the next successful Islander reclamation project. A few years until Poulin/Nilsson/Fucale (I hope!) are ready to take over.
I wouldn't touch Mike Smith with a ten foot pole based on what I saw of him with my own eyes since his days in Tampa. I would greatly question whether anyone holding him up as an answer to our problems here on the Island watched more than 5 of his games over three seasons, because I know what I saw, and what I saw was an inconsistent goaltender prone to making heinous mistakes when his stress levels rose past some unknown point.

Is Bryz better? Who cares. He comes with warts. The club deserves a better answer to the goaltending issue than Smith, Bryz, Poulin, Nabby, or any other inconsistent, aged, or flawed reclamation project.

Not wishing to burn picks, players, or prospects on one position is one thing. The most any one skater is on the ice for is 24 minutes. The goaltender is out there for the full 60.

If Garth gives the club more of the same crap in net this year because he doesn't want to lose anyone under the age of 28 then he should wear a bag over his head for the entire season.


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I wouldn't touch Mike Smith with a ten foot pole based on what I saw of him with my own eyes since his days in Tampa. I would greatly question whether anyone holding him up as an answer to our problems here on the Island watched more than 5 of his games over three seasons, because I know what I saw, and what I saw was an inconsistent goaltender prone to making heinous mistakes when his stress levels rose past some unknown point.

Is Bryz better? Who cares. He comes with warts. The club deserves a better answer to the goaltending issue than Smith, Bryz, Poulin, Nabby, or any other inconsistent, aged, or flawed reclamation project.

Not wishing to burn picks, players, or prospects on one position is one thing. The most any one skater is on the ice for is 24 minutes. The goaltender is out there for the full 60.

If Garth gives the club more of the same crap in net this year because he doesn't want to lose anyone under the age of 28 then he should wear a bag over his head for the entire season.
I'm with you on Smith, stay far away! Also wouldn't touch Bryz, though I don't think he's as bad as some here make him out to be. He's a marginal upgrade AT BEST from Nabokov.

I wouldn't be terribly upset if Nabokov comes back and Poulin is the back-up or bounces back and forth between Bridgeport and Long Island. To me this is a 'worst case scenario' and I do think Poulin will continue to improve, like most goalies do at his age.

I see you edited your post and this is no longer in there but Poulin's rebound control isn't bad as you say... It's HORRIFIC. It's about as bad as it can be for an above average AHL goaltender which speaks to his other qualities (positioning, athleticism) but his rebound control may not be correctable, looks like he battles the puck a lot.

However I'll disagree that his glove is a weakness' it used to be, but this season his glove looked MUCH better than in the past. It may not be a strength, but it's not an Achilles Heel any longer. Poulin in front of a defense like Chicago or Boston where they keep the shots limited to those from the outside, who clear the front of the net, and teams that don't live on the penalty kill could be a REALLY good goalkeeper. Unfortunately the Islanders won't have one of those for quite a while (2-3 years MINIMUM while Reinhart, Mayfield, Pedan, Pelech, Pokka etc develop) Hamonic and Strait are going to have to have to earn their money and be workhorses until then.

What options does that leave the Islanders Ryan Miller? Jonas Hiller? Jaroslav Halak? I would be okay with any of those with hopes of Nilsson becoming the man by the team the show moves to Brooklyn (Hiller might be my first choice since he has two years left on his deal as opposed to one year for Miller) (Halak's cap hit is smaller than his NHL Salary so knowing Wang and how he operates, he is most likely not an option). Really the only real hope is that Vancouver comes to its senses, realizes no one is touching that horrid Luongo contract, buys him out tomorrow. And then sign Luongo to a much more friendly contract and let him take over until he declines.


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Please stay away from Smith/Miller/Bryzgalov/Halak. That's all I ask.

I'm probably the only one on the bring Reimer boat, but I'd have ZERO regrets about moving our first for him this year.
I'm on the Reimer boat, but I don't think he is available.

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FLYERS USE COMPLIANCE BUYOUT ON GOALTENDER BRYZGALOV

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=426278

If he comes cheap this could be our answer. Paired with Nabby (who would probably do wonders for his confidence) this might be the best way to go. Then draft Fucale and goaltending will be set for a long time to come.

Offer 2 years - $2,500,000 a year? That way we aren't risking much.
Bring on the Mason and Thomas show or could PHI really go after Luongo?

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Bring on the Mason and Thomas show or could PHI really go after Luongo?
Considering Philly seems to not care at all about money and bad contracts, I'd be surprised if they weren't in on Luongo. They are the anti-Isles in how they operate. It's crazy.

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Considering Philly seems to not care at all about money and bad contracts, I'd be surprised if they weren't in on Luongo. They are the anti-Isles in how they operate. It's crazy.
Very Milbury like.....

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I wouldn't touch Mike Smith with a ten foot pole based on what I saw of him with my own eyes since his days in Tampa. I would greatly question whether anyone holding him up as an answer to our problems here on the Island watched more than 5 of his games over three seasons, because I know what I saw, and what I saw was an inconsistent goaltender prone to making heinous mistakes when his stress levels rose past some unknown point.

Is Bryz better? Who cares. He comes with warts. The club deserves a better answer to the goaltending issue than Smith, Bryz, Poulin, Nabby, or any other inconsistent, aged, or flawed reclamation project.

Not wishing to burn picks, players, or prospects on one position is one thing. The most any one skater is on the ice for is 24 minutes. The goaltender is out there for the full 60.

If Garth gives the club more of the same crap in net this year because he doesn't want to lose anyone under the age of 28 then he should wear a bag over his head for the entire season.
I used this data to support going after Bryz, not Smith. And I made it clear I wanted to draft Fucale, which would fit in with your desire.

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...I see you edited your post and this is no longer in there but Poulin's rebound control isn't bad as you say... It's HORRIFIC. It's about as bad as it can be for an above average AHL goaltender which speaks to his other qualities (positioning, athleticism) but his rebound control may not be correctable, looks like he battles the puck a lot.

However I'll disagree that his glove is a weakness' it used to be, but this season his glove looked MUCH better than in the past. It may not be a strength, but it's not an Achilles Heel any longer. Poulin in front of a defense like Chicago or Boston where they keep the shots limited to those from the outside, who clear the front of the net, and teams that don't live on the penalty kill could be a REALLY good goalkeeper. Unfortunately the Islanders won't have one of those for quite a while (2-3 years MINIMUM while Reinhart, Mayfield, Pedan, Pelech, Pokka etc develop) Hamonic and Strait are going to have to have to earn their money and be workhorses until then.
Well that's the whole game right there, isn't it? We don't have the guys to offset his flaws, but even if we did, who wants to offset that kind of flaw? These days you really need to have above average skills in the technical side of the game meaning angles and control. He is brutal in one. (I deleted my earlier part because I didn't want to completely trash him. I think we all know what his major problem is.)

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What options does that leave the Islanders Ryan Miller? Jonas Hiller? Jaroslav Halak?... And then sign Luongo to a much more friendly contract and let him take over until he declines.
I am ok with these options. In fact I really want Hiller. I think someone is going to offer Luongo something stupid, Miller something stupid after they trade for him... Hiller won't be free, but how can you hang the other 20+ players year over the toilet over one position?


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I wouldn't touch Mike Smith with a ten foot pole based on what I saw of him with my own eyes since his days in Tampa.
I agree. I honestly think you take Smith outta PHX and away from Sean Burke (goalie coach in PHX), Smith will struggle.

I actually would not object to Emery either. He did to 17-1 this year, albeit on a loaded, cup winning Blackhawks team....

No on Bryzgalov. If it didnt work out, isles would be getting tons of negative press about how they took him in after watching him struggle in Philly.

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I am ok with these options. In fact I really want Hiller. I think someone is going to offer Luongo something stupid, Miller something stupid....
I agree, If Hiller is in fact available (can anyone confirm that, I haven't seen anything) then he would probably be my #1 target. But then... What does he cost (asset wise)?

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I used this data to support going after Bryz, not Smith. And I made it clear I wanted to draft Fucale, which would fit in with your desire.
I followed you. My thoughts were more no to both. I give a 50% chance Bryz goes to the KHL anyway.

Fucale is in this year's draft. Do you know how long it usually takes good goaltenders to make the NHL and play competently? We would be better off bringing Koskinen back...

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