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06-24-2013, 12:02 PM
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If Giordano is a RHD thats not a bad deal for us.
NHL.com lists him as a lefty. We could use a right handed shot. If he can play the right side though, then it would be worth exploring a deal just for him. We don't need Cammy and Tanguay.

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06-24-2013, 12:09 PM
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Ok, I would never describe a player as unavailable.

Gretzky got traded, anyone can get traded.

If Dylan is exactly what Feaster described, what would you guys be offering.

Please bear in mind that no trade for a player 30 or better is going to happen.

Tanguay - No
Cammy - No

If the player you are moving is an asset you can afford to lose, then forget about that player.

Any trade for a young NYR prospect is going to cause a stinging sensation. The better the prospect, the more painful the stinging.

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Now that you have described the Rangers prospect pool as chlamydia I would say not many would be interested in acquiring that.

But jokes aside I would be willing to part with the 22nd for McIlrath, but I would want to expand the deal to include Tanguay & Boyle as well.

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NHL.com lists him as a lefty. We could use a right handed shot. If he can play the right side though, then it would be worth exploring a deal just for him. We don't need Cammy and Tanguay.
He can and has play both sides.

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06-24-2013, 12:15 PM
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So Tanguay and the 22nd for Boyle and McIlrath?

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06-24-2013, 12:16 PM
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So Tanguay and the 22nd for Boyle and McIlrath?
I could live with that.

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06-24-2013, 12:22 PM
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Now that you have described the Rangers prospect pool as chlamydia I would say not many would be interested in acquiring that.

But jokes aside I would be willing to part with the 22nd for McIlrath, but I would want to expand the deal to include Tanguay & Boyle as well.

He can and has play both sides.
I wouldn't do McIlrath for just the 22nd and here's why.

McIlrath may have been a stretch at 10 during his draft year, but there were heavy rumors that he could have been gone by 11 and without question 15.

So while I would agree that draft position then has nothing to do with value today, I would point out that Dylan's development has been steady since he has been drafted. He's come back from a knee injury and has played very well. He's at most a year away from everyday NHL action. With a healthy off-season in which he can gain the additional mass/muscle, he can come to camp in September easily pushing 230 for his height and not miss a beat.

He's far enough along in his developement that to me, he's worth more than a late 1st round selection.

And with 3 first round picks, losing one is not going to cause the stinging sensation I am talking about.

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06-24-2013, 12:23 PM
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McIlrath was picked 10th, the 22nd is not enough.
And he is not available until we can see what he can do at the NHL level.
I understand he is what the Flames need, but he is also what the Rangers need.

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06-24-2013, 12:29 PM
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To Cal: McIlrath

To NYR: 28th overall and Laurent Brossoit

Just looking over the rags goaltending prospect pool, it seems a little light. Brossoit has really emerged since being drafted in 2011, leading his team to consecutive WHL finals and being selected to tryout for Canada at the WJC.

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McIlrath was picked 10th, the 22nd is not enough.
And he is not available until we can see what he can do at the NHL level.
I understand he is what the Flames need, but he is also what the Rangers need.
comparing draft position is kind of silly especially since the 2013 draft is projected to be much deeper. Honestly I don't even like the idea of giving up 22 for him.

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06-24-2013, 12:32 PM
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comparing draft position is kind of silly especially since the 2013 draft is projected to be much deeper. Honestly I don't even like the idea of giving up 22 for him.
It's not and saying that is silly.
You can keep your 22nd pick and I keep McIlrath. We are both happy.

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06-24-2013, 12:33 PM
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I wouldn't give up any 1st round pick for McIlrath. He was picked far too high in his own draft and hasn't progressed as the Rangers hoped.

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To Cal: McIlrath

To NYR: 28th overall and Laurent Brossoit

Just looking over the rags goaltending prospect pool, it seems a little light. Brossoit has really emerged since being drafted in 2011, leading his team to consecutive WHL finals and being selected to tryout for Canada at the WJC.
Nope. The Rangers have absolutely no reason or desire to trade McIlrath.. It will take an overpayment to get him.

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McIlrath was picked 10th, the 22nd is not enough.
And he is not available until we can see what he can do at the NHL level.
I understand he is what the Flames need, but he is also what the Rangers need.
It doesnt matter where you picked him, thats your teams fault for picking him that high. Tough dmen can be taken late in the first round (like with a 22nd pick) or even in later rounds id prefer if my team were to pick one up. Consensus is he has been a disappointing 10th overall pick thus far.

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I wouldn't give up any 1st round pick for McIlrath. He was picked far too high in his own draft and hasn't progressed as the Rangers hoped.
He hasn't? Who says?

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I wouldn't give up any 1st round pick for McIlrath. He was picked far too high in his own draft and hasn't progressed as the Rangers hoped.
You are painfully misinformed.
He has done nothing so far but progress the way he was expected.

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It doesnt matter where you picked him, thats your teams fault for picking him that high. Tough dmen can be taken late in the first round (like with a 22nd pick) or even in later rounds id prefer if my team were to pick one up. Consensus is he has been a disappointing 10th overall pick thus far.
You are wrong, there is no such consensus.

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I wouldn't give up any 1st round pick for McIlrath. He was picked far too high in his own draft and hasn't progressed as the Rangers hoped.
stop posting on this subject. It's as clear as spring water that you do not know of what you speak, so please, stop posting on the subject.

You don't want to do that deal, that's fine. fabricating lies like this is un-needed and un-necessary

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To Cal: McIlrath

To NYR: 28th overall and Laurent Brossoit
Just looking over the rags goaltending prospect pool, it seems a little light. Brossoit has really emerged since being drafted in 2011, leading his team to consecutive WHL finals and being selected to tryout for Canada at the WJC.
No thanks.

Not the direction we would go in if we moved McIlrath.

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You are wrong, there is no such consensus.
This is not the type of player you generally take 10th overall. Stop being such a homer and call it what it is

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I'd be hesitant to move the 22nd pick for him. It's reasonable to assume one of Zadorov, Pulock or Risto will be available with that pick.

Personally I think getting one of those three would be an upgrade over McIlrath

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stop posting on this subject. It's as clear as spring water that you do not know of what you speak, so please, stop posting on the subject.

You don't want to do that deal, that's fine. fabricating lies like this is un-needed and un-necessary
McIlrath was hoped to be much more of a 2-way defender type, maybe putting up 20 points in an NHL season one day.

Right now, plays die on his stick and he only plays well in his own end.

Pure defensive defensemen are not valuable trade commodities in today's NHL. Under-appreciated? Sure. But not worth 1st round picks. Disagree as you will.

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I wouldn't give up any 1st round pick for McIlrath. He was picked far too high in his own draft and hasn't progressed as the Rangers hoped.
Says who? Most Rangers experts will tell you McIlrath has done nothing but develop and progress as he should. The only area where he has not met expectations is his weight. Most thought he would be about 10-15 lbs heavier and filled out his frame a bit better.

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Says who? Most Rangers experts will tell you McIlrath has done nothing but develop and progress as he should. The only area where he has not met expectations is his weight. Most thought he would be about 10-15 lbs heavier and filled out his frame a bit better.
You are better off ignoring him. His knowledge is not as vast as his opinion of his knowledge.

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McIlrath was hoped to be much more of a 2-way defender type, maybe putting up 20 points in an NHL season one day.

Right now, plays die on his stick and he only plays well in his own end.

Pure defensive defensemen are not valuable trade commodities in today's NHL. Under-appreciated? Sure. But not worth 1st round picks. Disagree as you will.
So Dan Girardi has little to no value despite being one of the top defensive defensemen in the NHL? Or wouldn't even fetch a 1st?

Your digging yourself into a giant hole. First rule about holes... when your in one, stop digging.

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So Dan Girardi has little to no value despite being one of the top defensive defensemen in the NHL?

Your digging yourself into a giant hole. First rule about holes... when your in one, stop digging.
Dan Girardi is a 2-way defenseman. He has 6 straight seasons of playing at over a 20 point pace, and has broken 30 points.

McIlrath is a pure defensive defenseman. He will never come close to any of those point totals at any point in his career. Plays die on his stick.

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McIlrath was hoped to be much more of a 2-way defender type, maybe putting up 20 points in an NHL season one day.

Right now, plays die on his stick and he only plays well in his own end.

Pure defensive defensemen are not valuable trade commodities in today's NHL. Under-appreciated? Sure. But not worth 1st round picks. Disagree as you will.
No he wasn't.

Dylan was and still is projected to be a tough SOB defender that provides a physical element to the team. Something the Rangers D has been lacking for quite some time.

A solid skating defenceman with size and the ability to move around in the defensive zone while providing a level of toughness we do not have.

It's why he was slated to go at 11 and certainly 15.

we will agree to disagree on thsi player and move on. We'll keep the hulking player that is progressing very nicely.

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