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05-24-2013, 02:12 PM
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I still think doing something drastic would be a horrible idea.

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I still think doing something drastic would be a horrible idea.
I still think we will. But bryz, lavy, and homer staying limits the amount of drastic we can expect to see...

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I think Yandle is coming to Philadelphia for Couturier (+).

I don't necessarily like it. But he seems one of the bigger names that could be in play.

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I think Yandle is coming to Philadelphia for Couturier (+).

I don't necessarily like it. But he seems one of the bigger names that could be in play.
I think that will be regrettable.

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Do not trade Couturier!



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I would much prefer couturier for shattenkirk

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I would much prefer couturier for shattenkirk
So would I. Couterier has good upside, but this team has too many Centers and not enough Defenseman right now.

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So would I. Couterier has good upside, but this team has too many Centers and not enough Defenseman right now.
Shattenkirk is my favorite non flyer with Bobby Ryan. We would need to add to Couturier for Shattenkirk

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I don't understand why everyone thinks Shattenkirk is even available. I doubt the Blues are going to bust up the best defensive duo they've had since MacInnis and Pronger. This is a Hitchcock coached and Armstrong managed team and with the two of them having worked together in the Dallas organization, they know what it means to build from the net and defense out.

As for Yandle, it's like ending up with a better shooting Carle. If people hated Carle, they'll want to kill Yandle.

I honestly believe that they aren't going to do anything drastic. I think it's finally gotten through everyone's head that you can't keep making big move after big move after big move without it negatively affecting the team. Maybe it's the optimist in me, but this is the off season that I see two buy outs and some marginal free agents being added to the mix.

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So would I. Couterier has good upside, but this team has too many Centers and not enough Defenseman right now.
Do we?

We have one center who is solidly and reliably filling his role and that's Giroux. The #2C role is not solidly in Schenn's possession. With in his reach sure, but he's not exactly a proven #2. Couturier's got fantastic upside and has been given no opportunity to produce offensively. There's a lot of reasons to think he's going to be a fantastic #2 in a couple years. Laughton is a nice prospect, and that's it. Penciling him as anything more than a #3 going forward is too optimistic for me. If all three guys pan out we could have a surplus of one top 9 center. But things could just as easily not pan out for one or several.


As for Defensemen . . .

Coburn - Grossmann
Gustafsson - Meszaros
Schenn - Timonen
Lauridsen

****. You've got a point after Kimmo retires. I wouldn't start kicking tires on a C-for-D deal until the deadline next season with an eye toward moving at the 2014 draft. At that point it'll be a little clearer just what we've got in all our centers and just what part of Kimmo's game we can afford to lose the most (we're not going to get someone to replace him, the best we can do is pick what part of his game we need to replace).


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They better do something drastic or the defense is going to suck even worse this year.

Mezzaros will get injured again, and Coburn will continue his lackluster play.
Grossman will be out with his concussion for a long time.
The team will be unable to get the puck out of their defensive zone.

Coots will continue his offensive slump until he is untradeable.
They need to trade Coots or Laughton for a PMD.
Yandle if possible or another younger PMD.

If they do not fix this defense, your looking at a top 5 pick in Philly.

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As for Yandle, it's like ending up with a better shooting Carle. If people hated Carle, they'll want to kill Yandle.

I honestly believe that they aren't going to do anything drastic. I think it's finally gotten through everyone's head that you can't keep making big move after big move after big move without it negatively affecting the team. Maybe it's the optimist in me, but this is the off season that I see two buy outs and some marginal free agents being added to the mix.
LOL
I would prefer Carle over Coburn. Atleast Carle has some offensive ability.
If you think Yandle is Carle+, I am all for that idea lets trade for him.
Timmonen is retiring and needs to be replaced in the following year.
Who is going to do that, no one I guess.
I am tired of watching this drek of a defense that wilts under pressure.
Without a rebuild of this defense you could add Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos.... and still lose.

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If they do not fix this defense, your looking at a top 5 pick in Philly.
why is this bad? If there is one thing they do well, it is draft. I was mad at our pointless win streak to end the season...

And...I don't think this should be a surprise, but I give us about a 1% chance to win the cup in the next 2 yrs. young guys need time to develop.


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I think that will be regrettable.
I know that will be regrettable. I'm not in favor of the big move this summer. There's no realistic move out there that will make this team a cup contender next year. Stay put and let the young kids grow IMO.

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Personally, I think Meszaros is going to rebound this year. He had two bad years with injuries, and really, it was about a season and a half when it comes down to it. Part of the problem with Meszaros is that I think he was rushed back too soon from back surgery. The Achilles and shoulder injuries were fluke injuries.

The Flyers should be more concerned about how drastically Coburn crapped the bed last year with his play. Some will blame it on the shortened season, but fact is, when Coburn was needed, he faltered and faltered badly. I honestly don't know if the coaching staff and management have faith in him anymore.

As for Grossmann, the concussion is really worrisome because his balance has been affected. If he still hasn't recovered sufficiently by training camp, I think it may be the last time we see Grossmann in a Philadelphia uniform.

I also don't think that scrambling and blowing things up by trading Couturier, Laughton or the Flyers 1st round pick this year is the correct fix. Blowing things up and trading picks and players is something they've pretty much done year in and year out. They need to relax and let the younger players take their lumps and earn their stripes. Panicking and moving every young player out is not the effective long term solution. Build from the draft, be smart in signing free agents, and making smart trades that won't set the team back is the way to do things.

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I know that will be regrettable. I'm not in favor of the big move this summer. There's no realistic move out there that will make this team a cup contender next year. Stay put and let the young kids grow IMO.
Sounds reasonable to Beef Invictus.

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Do we?

We have one center who is solidly and reliably filling his role and that's Giroux. The #2C role is not solidly in Schenn's possession. With in his reach sure, but he's not exactly a proven #2. Couturier's got fantastic upside and has been given no opportunity to produce offensively. There's a lot of reasons to think he's going to be a fantastic #2 in a couple years. Laughton is a nice prospect, and that's it. Penciling him as anything more than a #3 going forward is too optimistic for me. If all three guys pan out we could have a surplus of one top 9 center. But things could just as easily not pan out for one or several.


As for Defensemen . . .

Coburn - Grossmann
Gustafsson - Meszaros
Schenn - Timonen
Lauridsen

****. You've got a point after Kimmo retires. I wouldn't start kicking tires on a C-for-D deal until the deadline next season with an eye toward moving at the 2014 draft. At that point it'll be a little clearer just what we've got in all our centers and just what part of Kimmo's game we can afford to lose the most (we're not going to get someone to replace him, the best we can do is pick what part of his game we need to replace).
The top 4 you listed here have all been knocked out with injuries or had some very poor play in the last year. Then Kimmo is retiring next season. I agree Couturier has serious upside, and I hope other GM's see that too, and offer a potential #1 Defenseman. Maybe not Shattenkirk, but something close to his upside.

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LOL
I would prefer Carle over Coburn. Atleast Carle has some offensive ability.
If you think Yandle is Carle+, I am all for that idea lets trade for him.

I am tired of watching this drek of a defense that wilts under pressure.
Without a rebuild of this defense you could add Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos.... and still lose.
Bold #1 is just.....

What offensive ability from Carle are you talking about? He can move the puck, but that is it. It is extremely easy to know what Carle will do with the puck when it is in his possession.

Bold #2 I don't agree with. If you add those players to the team and keep the same defense, games will be won, a lot of them. Well, as long as you replace Mr. Headcase.

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offer sheet bob haha
Then buy out Bryz... hahahaha Trollolololo

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They better do something drastic or the defense is going to suck even worse this year.

Mezzaros will get injured again, and Coburn will continue his lackluster play.
Grossman will be out with his concussion for a long time.
The team will be unable to get the puck out of their defensive zone.

Coots will continue his offensive slump until he is untradeable.
They need to trade Coots or Laughton for a PMD.
Yandle if possible or another younger PMD.

If they do not fix this defense, your looking at a top 5 pick in Philly.
The defense isn't as bad as you make it out to be. It needs a bit of an upgrade but there's still some pieces to work with back there. If we had a goalie that could stop a beach ball it might actually be a decent group.

Besides this team is a boarderline playoff team next year. I rather not sacrifice our youth just to get knocked out in the 2nd instead of the 1st.

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I think Yandle is coming to Philadelphia for Couturier (+).

I don't necessarily like it. But he seems one of the bigger names that could be in play.
I sure hope not. Yandle is good on the PP, but I hope Homer does not give up on the kid yet. Keep the young core intact and build through the draft or move some vets

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Besides this team is a boarderline playoff team next year. I rather not sacrifice our youth just to get knocked out in the 2nd instead of the 1st.
that's how I see it, let this be a two year plan or something rather than a quick hasty fix

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