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06-25-2013, 09:55 AM
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Not everyone player can win the selke. Kane is god awful in his own end, although, every team would be happy to have him. I am not comparing gagners ability to kanes, however, a 60+ pt player put in the proper situations is very valuable.

Gagners numbers this year are very comparable to Ribeiros, on a non playoff team

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06-25-2013, 10:05 AM
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Sorry s7ark but I would care, that would mean that IMO at least he's overpaid by $1 million/season and that's assuming that his offense doesn't stumble a bit next season. It would also all but make him untradeable and we might well be looking at Horcoff 2.0 before long.

Why should he get paid like a guy like Mike Ribeiro? Yes Gagner is younger but he'll be lucky to match Ribeiro's top seasons or even his production next year or the year after. I'm sorry but anything over $4.5 million is a major fail by management here and if Gagner wants more than that then he is for all intents and purposes punching his ticket out of here unless MacT wants him to be his Horcoff.
You see that contract as handcuffing the Oilers and I think it would still be very movable. If The Hawks, Leafs and Canucks are all willing to trade for the guy knowing he'll be looking for a salary in that range, why would his contract become Horcoff 2 if we signed him to it instead of one of them?

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06-25-2013, 10:09 AM
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My hope has always been for 5 years at 4 mil, but I'm going to predict 4 years at 5 mil.

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I'll bet that Gagner never reaches Ribeiro's career high in points in a season (83) and that Gagner won't outscore Ribeiro this season or next unless Ribeiro gets injured.



That's what you've learned, I've learned that the best rookies can't win with a piss poor veteran supporting cast.
Exactly, thus far we have been following the Colorado model which has definitely not worked out - always team potential, never actually realized.

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06-25-2013, 10:12 AM
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I hear that there are two ends of the rink.

Gagner may be the worst defensive zone centre in the league.

I suppose he's been consistent in that too.
Gagner has work to do on his game all around but given his supporting cast, I would imagine it makes it far more difficult to be good or even improve defensively.

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06-25-2013, 10:23 AM
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I like Gags, good player, but he is so damn one dimensional. Cant win a faceoff if his life depends on it, absolutely no physical dimension to his game, poor defensively.
Overall I dont see him as a great fit for this team if you want to keep RNH on the 1st line.

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06-25-2013, 10:27 AM
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@TSNRyanRishaug is working this as well. Sources say the Oilers offered Sam Gagner a multi year extension. Still work to get a deal done.

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06-25-2013, 10:29 AM
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2 years at 5mil, 3 years at 4.5mil, or 4 years at 4mil. Hopefully we find a replacement soon though.

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06-25-2013, 10:30 AM
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2 years at 5mil, 3 years at 4.5mil, or 4 years at 4mil
3 years at 4.5 sounds good to me

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06-25-2013, 10:38 AM
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I love Gagner but I'm not sure he's an NHL center...at least full-time

employ the SJ model and have him playing part-time center while allowing another guy to take draws in key situations and move him to the RW

hopefully in a a few years they have a guy like Monahan or Lindholm or Horvat doing this

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06-25-2013, 10:41 AM
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4 years, 18 million, 4.5 hit. Gives the perfect timeline for Monahan to take over:

1 more year in OHL, 1 year in AHL, 1 year as 3rd line C, trade Gagner in final year of deal and promote Monahan to 2C. Hoist cup. The math checks out.

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perfect world gagner signs for 4.5 for 4 and then hits 80pts.

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06-25-2013, 10:56 AM
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Precedence has been set.

6 years:
7, 6.5, 6.5, 6, 4, 3 with a cap hit of 5.5 each year and a no trade no movement clause.

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06-25-2013, 10:58 AM
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Precedence has been set.

6 years:
7, 6.5, 6.5, 6, 4, 3 with a cap hit of 5.5 each year and a no trade no movement clause.
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Precedence has been set.

6 years:
7, 6.5, 6.5, 6, 4, 3 with a cap hit of 5.5 each year and a no trade no movement clause.
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06-25-2013, 11:13 AM
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I'm even a little hesitant to pay him 4.5. As much as this team needs Gagner, I can't see how he is worth that much.

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06-25-2013, 11:18 AM
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Precedence has been set.

6 years:
7, 6.5, 6.5, 6, 4, 3 with a cap hit of 5.5 each year and a no trade no movement clause.
The precedence for total managerial ineptness was set four years ago. So a make shift first line center with a good all around game being able to win face offs and play in his own end was over paid at the time. Where does that leave an offence first marginal second line center that can't win faceoff or defend in his own end? This whole situation is so sketchy. I can see this blowing up in the oilers face.


Best case: traded in package for top pairing d

Worst case: 5 years at 5mil....goes on to average 50pts per season with little to no improvement in fo% or defensive coverage. Couple years down the road the oilers are in a cap crunch but can't give this guy away. Are forced to trade away one of the big four.


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06-25-2013, 11:22 AM
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I'm even a little hesitant to pay him 4.5. As much as this team needs Gagner, I can't see how he is worth that much.
Just look around the league. Upshall makes 3.5, Horcoff 5.5, Grabovski 5.5, Stastny 6.6...

If Gagner doesn't get 4.5 he should fire his agent. As a UFA, even is the cap world, a team will give him 5M if he has a 60 point season before UFA status.

Gags stats are likely to improve as he rides the coat tails of better players too.

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06-25-2013, 11:24 AM
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I would almost rather wait and see what Little signs for in Winnipeg. He's the perfect comparable to Gagner in all of role, style, production, age, free agent eligibility, etc.

I don't see the Jets giving Little $5.5M - $6M on a long term deal.

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Just look around the league. Upshall makes 3.5, Horcoff 5.5, Grabovski 5.5, Stastny 6.6...

If Gagner doesn't get 4.5 he should fire his agent. As a UFA, even is the cap world, a team will give him 5M if he has a 60 point season before UFA status.

Gags stats are likely to improve as he rides the coat tails of better players too.
Those are all considered pretty awful contracts. His agent should absolutely be trying for that but with all the contracts of the higher end players coming up MacT needs to be a little frugal with some of the players.

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06-25-2013, 11:44 AM
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Hopefully he's just signing the extension in order to trade him to another team.

IF he stays here there's no way he should get over 4.

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06-25-2013, 11:46 AM
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Do you honestly expect the 7th pick, if it's a C - say Monahan or Lindholm - to be able to step into the Oilers line up out of major jr and play 2C in the NHL ?

Because if you do, you're going to be disappointed, and I for one do not want to see Belanger penciled into our lineup as the 2C. Without Horcoff or Gagner (or a suitable replacement) that's all we have.
It wouldn't be the first time that a non top 3 pick broke into the league in their 1st season. Last season Howson would've taken Monahan 2nd overall had he been eligible. This is not your average draft. I see no reason why Monahan or Barkov can't step in this year and besides if they can't we should already have other players in tow just in case, guys like Peverley or Vermette and a guy like Smith for the bottom 6.

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You see that contract as handcuffing the Oilers and I think it would still be very movable. If The Hawks, Leafs and Canucks are all willing to trade for the guy knowing he'll be looking for a salary in that range, why would his contract become Horcoff 2 if we signed him to it instead of one of them?
Maybe they don't know his actual demands yet? Look at Grabovski and how one bad year can kill a players trade value when they have a $5 million cap hit. Hell look at Hemsky.

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It wouldn't be the first time that a non top 3 pick broke into the league in their 1st season. Last season Howson would've taken Monahan 2nd overall had he been eligible. This is not your average draft. I see no reason why Monahan or Barkov can't step in this year and besides if they can't we should already have other players in tow just in case, guys like Peverley or Vermette and a guy like Smith for the bottom 6.



Maybe they don't know his actual demands yet? Look at Grabovski and how one bad year can kill a players trade value when they have a $5 million cap hit. Hell look at Hemsky.
Not sure why you would compare Gagner who consistently has one of the best attitudes of any player here, with Hemsky who looks pained to start yet another season here any year.

From a person who regularly attends TC Hemsky is one of the most disconnected guys on the club. Doesn't do anything to connect, fit in, and does not further, or emulate a team concept.

Hemsky mailed it in years ago which is becoming clearer. He had the benefit of injuries for awhile but what you see is what you get.

So in essence you are comparing a player who doesn't have the fire anymore with one that has it in spades.


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Not sure why you would compare Gagner who consistently has one of the best attitudes of any player here, with Hemsky who looks pained to start yet another season here any year? From a person who regularly attends TC Hemsky is one of the most disconnected guys on the club. Doesn't do anything to connect, fit in, and does not further, or emulate a team concept.

Hemsky mailed it in years ago which is becoming clearer. He had the benefit of injuries for awhile but what you see is what you get.

So in essence you are comparing a player who doesn't have the fire anymore with one that has it in spades.
That is not what I meant, Gagner has far more drive and passion for the game than Hemsky does. My point being that we've seen first hand how a players trade value can go into the crapper with a bad season or two when they have a hefty price tag attached to them. Either lock him up long term with the thought that he'll be our 2C for 5+ years or move him IMO.

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The one non starter for any contract would be NMC or NTC. I would refuse to ever have one in any contract.

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