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06-23-2013, 09:58 PM
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Im using Couturier compared to Palmieri which was brought up by another poster a few posts ago.
Why is that relevant here and what's your point? Are you going to pretend that Couturier is much more established than Palmieri? Well, that's foolish. Does he have higher upside than Palms? Of course. I'm not sure why this matters though to be honest. This is more about Bobby Ryan, not Kyle Palmieri

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Thats a pretty absurd overpayment by us. Its funny to see Duck fans banking on Palmieri to already be better than Read, but Couturier, a much better prospect and pedigree, would just be a "meh" return for Ryan. Pretty comical actually.
I really don't think the two front offices see eye to eye. To me, it felt like Bobby would be moved last year at the draft (especially the days leading up) but I believe LeBrun mentioned that the two sides just couldn't work something out.

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Ryan to Vancouver PLEASSSE! I'd give so much up for him, it's ridiculous.
Edler for Ryan is one trade most fans seem to mutually agree upon

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Why is that relevant here and what's your point? Are you going to pretend that Couturier is much more established than Palmieri? Well, that's foolish. Does he have higher upside than Palms? Of course. I'm not sure why this matters though to be honest. This is more about Bobby Ryan, not Kyle Palmieri
My point was that Duck fans dont want Read because they are banking on Palmieri's POTENTIAL to surpass Read. But you guys downshoot Couturiers potential a lot, its just kind of hypocritical. And thats where Couturier's higher pedigree and potential came into play, comparing it to Palmieri.

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My point was that Duck fans dont want Read because they are banking on Palmieri's POTENTIAL to surpass Read. But you guys downshoot Couturiers potential a lot, its just kind of hypocritical. And thats where Couturier's higher pedigree and potential came into play, comparing it to Palmieri.
We don't want Read for Ryan because we already have something close to a Read in Palmieri (who will be cheaper than Read soon as well). Do you not understand that? We want Coots because he can be a 2C for us. I'm not downplaying Coots' "pedigree and potential". I'm simply stating that we can pretty much be damn sure that Murray is going to want Coots in a Ryan trade. We really don't need Read and prospects for Ryan. That makes us worse. We either need top 4 defenseman or a 2C.

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My point was that Duck fans dont want Read because they are banking on Palmieri's POTENTIAL to surpass Read. But you guys downshoot Couturiers potential a lot, its just kind of hypocritical. And thats where Couturier's higher pedigree and potential came into play, comparing it to Palmieri.
Yeah because the Ducks can sit pat and hope Palmieri reaches his potential. Trading Ryan for Couturier and hoping he reaches is potential is far riskier.

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Yeah because the Ducks can sit pat and hope Palmieri reaches his potential. Trading Ryan for Couturier and hoping he reaches is potential is far riskier.
Yes I see what you are saying, although I dont think theres any question Couturier becomes a 60+ point player with great, which he already has, defensive shutdown ability. But thats where we disagree.

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Nash-Ryan

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If he makes it to UFA I think he will undoubtedly sign in Philadelphia. That being said, the Ducks would be stupid to let him get there. They are either going to re-sign him themselves, or trade him for the best return.

It depends what Philly is willing to offer. It's most likely going to be a d-man/center combination, which Philly could pull of if they're willing to move Couturier and Coburn (or something similar). It wouldn't be summer without Ryan to Philly rumors, anyway.

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Umm...maybe they want to fill a gaping hole on their roster? If the Ducks are gonna trade him, they're gonna get the deal they want. I'm positive they could get a better deal than that from another team.
And the Flyers will wait 2 years and sign him as a free agent. Our younger players will continue to grow, and we will be serious contenders at that point.

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We don't want Read for Ryan because we already have something close to a Read in Palmieri (who will be cheaper than Read soon as well). Do you not understand that? We want Coots because he can be a 2C for us. I'm not downplaying Coots' "pedigree and potential". I'm simply stating that we can pretty much be damn sure that Murray is going to want Coots in a Ryan trade. We really don't need Read and prospects for Ryan. That makes us worse. We either need top 4 defenseman or a 2C.
Are you guys interested in Coburn to fill the top 4 defenseman spot? If so, what would we have to add. Coburn + what for Ryan?

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And the Flyers will wait 2 years and sign him as a free agent. Our younger players will continue to grow, and we will be serious contenders at that point.
Great! Everyone wins.

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Are you guys interested in Coburn to fill the top 4 defenseman spot? If so, what would we have to add. Coburn + what for Ryan?
Coburn is NOT the centerpiece to a Ryan trade. Nor is a 1st round pick.

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That's awful for Anaheim, absolutely awful.

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Coburn is NOT the centerpiece to a Ryan trade. Nor is a 1st round pick.
Anaheim fans claim they want a top 4 dman as the centerpiece, Flyers offer exactly that plus a top 11 pick and get laughed at. The logic doesnt add up...

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I'm purposely trying to keep Couturier and the 11th out, so tell me if this would be close to fair value.

Coburn + Laughton + 2013 2nd + 2014 2nd

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Ryan + 2013 3rd

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And the Flyers will wait 2 years and sign him as a free agent. Our younger players will continue to grow, and we will be serious contenders at that point.
What makes you think he'll even get to UFA status? He's more than likely to sign with whichever team he's traded too (if he's traded) and if he does make it to UFA the Flyers will be competing with 29 other teams for his services. Sure he has Philly ties but I'm sure there will be other teams out there who can offer more than Philly can.

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Anaheim fans claim they want a top 4 dman as the centerpiece, Flyers offer exactly that plus a top 11 pick and get laughed at. The logic doesnt add up...
Value wise a Coburn+Read+11th overall is not bad. I personally don't like it but its not far off. I think the Ducks would get better offers. No way I add Sbisa to Ryan for that though. Allen would have to go the other way.

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I'm purposely trying to keep Couturier and the 11th out, so tell me if this would be close to fair value.

Coburn + Laughton + 2013 2nd + 2014 2nd

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Ryan + 2013 3rd
Ehh it depends. Duck fans probably dont think Laughton could become a 2nd line C, he is more of a safe bet as a 3C. I think he has potential if hes developed properly, and who is better at developing forwards than the Flyers, that he could become a 50-60 point 2nd line center.

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I'm purposely trying to keep Couturier and the 11th out, so tell me if this would be close to fair value.

Coburn + Laughton + 2013 2nd + 2014 2nd

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Ryan + 2013 3rd
Not close. Laughton really isn't much of a need, the Ducks have guys with the same or higher potential than him. Couturier's the asset they'd want, he could be a great #2 center behind Getzlaf and his potential makes a Ryan deal with it. Same goes for Schenn.

Absolutely no sense trading him without getting one of those two. Ducks don't have to trade him to Philly, or even at all, so they hold all the cards. Might as well use them.

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What makes you think he'll even get to UFA status? He's more than likely to sign with whichever team he's traded too (if he's traded) and if he does make it to UFA the Flyers will be competing with 29 other teams for his services.
If he thought he could get that many offers, why would he resign rather than hit UFA and cash in?

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Sure he has Philly ties but I'm sure there will be other teams out there who can offer more than Philly can.
He has stated before that he would love to play in Philly, so I assume he would take a slight hometown discount. And how many other GMs can offer more than Philly?

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Ehh it depends. Duck fans probably dont think Laughton could become a 2nd line C, he is more of a safe bet as a 3C. I think he has potential if hes developed properly, and who is better at developing forwards than the Flyers, that he could become a 50-60 point 2nd line center.
Laughton's not a bad piece, but the Ducks have at least three prospects with similar or greater potential who are all centers, including a better version of him in Rickard Rakell(more or less). And that doesn't include a guy like Bonino, who's fairly young and already a pretty good bottom six C. Absolutely no reason to target Laughton in a deal like this, it's gotta be one of the big two or bust.

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I'm purposely trying to keep Couturier and the 11th out, so tell me if this would be close to fair value.

Coburn + Laughton + 2013 2nd + 2014 2nd

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Ryan + 2013 3rd
Big pass IMO.

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Not close. Laughton really isn't much of a need, the Ducks have guys with the same or higher potential than him. Couturier's the asset they'd want, he could be a great #2 center behind Getzlaf and his potential makes a Ryan deal with it. Same goes for Schenn.

Absolutely no sense trading him without getting one of those two. Ducks don't have to trade him to Philly, or even at all, so they hold all the cards. Might as well use them.
I agree with most of what you said. I think Couturier would have to be included, but I was just putting it out there. But, Anaheim doesn't hold all of the cards. Ryan's value will fall a little more if you don't deal him this year (offseason or deadline). A player with 2 years left until UFA is way more appealing than a player with 1 year left.

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Coburn is NOT the centerpiece to a Ryan trade. Nor is a 1st round pick.
Which top 4 dman in the league is?

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