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06-26-2013, 10:58 AM
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Miller's contract is just for next season and there is a surplus of available goalies, he does not have much trade value.
You would be adding around 3million in AAV when the team already needs to resign 3 crucial RFAs, one of which should be demanding around 6mill/year (Petro). And to say there is a surplus of available goalies is quite debatable, especially when there are teams other than the Blues who would be willing to add more pieces to a trade to acquire said goalie b/c they have higher needs than the Blues for that position. Upgrades in the available goalie depot are Lu and Miller, thats about it.


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You would be adding around 3million in AAV when the team already needs to resign 3 crucial RFAs, one of which should be demanding around 6mill/year (Petro). And to say there is a surplus of available goalies is quite debatable, especially when there are teams other than the Blues who would be willing to add more pieces to a trade to acquire said goalie b/c they have higher needs than the Blues for that position. Upgrades in the available goalie depot are Lu and Miller, thats about it.
It's about actual money paid for us and Halak is paid, which is 4.5. That's a 1.75 differene and then take away the difference between Elliott and Allen, and it costs us 750K in actually money to go from Halak/Elliott to Miller/Allen.

We have plenty of cap space to sign everyone and make trades.

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06-26-2013, 11:09 AM
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It's about actual money paid for us and Halak is paid, which is 4.5. That's a 1.75 differene and then take away the difference between Elliott and Allen, and it costs us 750K in actually money to go from Halak/Elliott to Miller/Allen.

We have plenty of cap space to sign everyone and make trades.
Putting Allen on the bench behind Miller would be a very poor decision in regards to letting the kid further develop.

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Putting Allen on the bench behind Miller would be a very poor decision in regards to letting the kid further develop.
Because watching and learning from Miller and playing 20-30 NHL games is such a bad thing for a young player. There's not much more for him to get out of the AHL. If we keep Halak and Elliott, then yes he should stay down there, but to suggest that getting Miller as a mentor and playing in 20-30 NHL games is bad for a young goalie's development is ridiculous. That's how you develop NHL ready goalies on a team in a win-now mode. You don't give the keys to a young goalie unless you have to.

Allen getting NHL time next season will be better for his development in case we have to give him the keys in 2014-2015.

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06-26-2013, 11:36 AM
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Because watching and learning from Miller and playing 20-30 NHL games is such a bad thing for a young player. There's not much more for him to get out of the AHL. If we keep Halak and Elliott, then yes he should stay down there, but to suggest that getting Miller as a mentor and playing in 20-30 NHL games is bad for a young goalie's development is ridiculous. That's how you develop NHL ready goalies on a team in a win-now mode. You don't give the keys to a young goalie unless you have to.

Allen getting NHL time next season will be better for his development in case we have to give him the keys in 2014-2015.
20-30 NHL games would be on the high end and wouldnt be consistent playing time. it would be much more beneficial for him to play on a regular basis to hone his skills then to sit on a bench and watch another guy play

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20-30 NHL games would be on the high end and wouldnt be consistent playing time. it would be much more beneficial for him to play on a regular basis to hone his skills then to sit on a bench and watch another guy play
He'd see a minimum of 20 games, Miller is more of a 60 game goalie now. Allen would receive more time based on how he plays.

Facing increased competition is the only way that he is going to significantly improve at this point. Having Miller as a mentor is also an added bonus. He can have the opportunity to pick his brain and learn what it takes to be a true #1 goalie who plays 60+ games.

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Just to add to the "other teams are in more desperate need of a guy like Miller" topic, apparently the Flyers have already had discussions w/Sabres about Miller

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20-30 NHL games would be on the high end and wouldnt be consistent playing time. it would be much more beneficial for him to play on a regular basis to hone his skills then to sit on a bench and watch another guy play
I don't have links handy, but in the past handful of years, there's strong evidence that young goalies benefit from a lot of practice and only a moderate number of starts. If I can dig up the links that support this, I'll post them, but you can look at Vezina voting over the last few years. The majority of goalies (especially ones that are not journeymen with a single career year) developed in Europe or college and did not have a large number of starts before solidifying themselves in the NHL.

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There is a time in a goalies career where he transitions from starting AHL goalie to NHL backup. I was upset with what happened to Bishop and don't want the same thing happening to Allen.

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There is a time in a goalies career where he transitions from starting AHL goalie to NHL backup. I was upset with what happened to Bishop and don't want the same thing happening to Allen.
Thats fair, but to do so the Blues would need to find suitors for both of their goaltenders, then simultaneously swing a trade to acquire a goalie that's better than Halak+Elliott which would most likely only be Miller and Lu. The blues and allen can wait another year for these contracts to end. The average age of goalies in the NHL is 28>Allen is 22, another year wont be a detriment, it will only help his development.

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