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06-25-2013, 06:33 AM
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Lettuce be cerial, PG was the main reason the Hawks won it all.
And he did all that in his first season.

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06-25-2013, 06:48 AM
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I'm no fan but... the guy also acquired picks/prospects by trading Cammy, AK and Gill...
He acquired picks when the team was falling apart due to his own incompetence. Now GMs should be praised for tanking and getting picks?

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06-25-2013, 06:52 AM
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How much for Bickell?
3M? 4M?

This guy is reaching the top of his value.
There will be teams going after him with big money.

Habs would be better off looking for the next Bickell in AHL than paying big $ for him.

To get more than 37 points, Bickell will need to be a top-6.

Is he better than Malone at the same age?

As for Bolland, he is still under contact for another year.

Before the UFA market appear, Bickell will be valued at nearly 5M.
Most likely Habs will put over 3M on the table but some teams will offer much more.
Habs will find their own Bickell in the 2nd or 3rd round of the upcoming draft, not by going after him on the FA market. However, we may have to wait a few seasons before we see this surrogate suit up in the Bell Centre.

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06-25-2013, 06:54 AM
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He acquired picks when the team was falling apart due to his own incompetence. Now GMs should be praised for tanking and getting picks?
So, you think they were bad moves I guess ?

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06-25-2013, 06:59 AM
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Dont act as if you're any better, trying to "downplay" whatever good moves he did. As weird as the guy could be, trading guys like Gill, AK and Cammy were good moves.
It took a crashing to 28th place in the league (and probably a realization he was in tough to keep his job) for this epiphany to happen. If Gauthier had awareness of his teams situation 2 years earlier and was interested in building he'd get credit from me and I am sure many others. As it is his performance is unforgettable and not in a good way.

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06-25-2013, 07:05 AM
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So, you think they were bad moves I guess ?
That's not what he wrote. He said that he traded his own mistakes as an executive manager. He had his fingers prints for bringing Cammalleri, Gill and by keeping too long a guy like Kostitsyn in our organization.

Gauthier is a good hockey person but, he was terrible to run a hockey club. I'm 100% behind that comment or statement.

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06-25-2013, 07:10 AM
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That's not what he wrote. He said that he traded his own mistakes as an executive manager. He had his fingers prints for bringing Cammalleri, Gill and by keeping too long a guy like Kostitsyn in our organization.

Gauthier is a good hockey person but, he was terrible to run a hockey club. I'm 100% behind that comment or statement.
and saying he deserves praises and accolades is not what I wrote

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06-25-2013, 07:19 AM
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So, you think they were bad moves I guess ?
Getting picks when the team is tanking obviously making the right decision...but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to tank a team and trade UFAs for picks.

A GM should never put a team in that situation to begin with, especially when the team becomes a laughing stock because of the lack of class and professionalism that is shown while doing it.

Are people actually defending Gauthier? Amazing how time heals all wounds. The guy was HORRIBLE!

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06-25-2013, 07:42 AM
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Yes, which puts him at best a push on the picks front. Every few weeks someone comes in with a Gauthier vindication post (or thread) which tries to convince people he was an builder type GM. He also sent picks away in acquiring Moore, Wiz, Tinordi and got fairly hosed whenever he tried to deal a young player.

Anyhoo, that's old news but I cringe when someone tries to sell Gauthier long on great qualities that don't exist.
He added more picks than he traded away.

For all the crap Gauthier took, he wasn't a bad GM at asset mangement, his leadership and dealing with people are what got him fired and hated by some.

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06-25-2013, 07:54 AM
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How ?

They're constantly in the playoffs. They've won a cup recently and just made it to the finals again.
To put the Bruins success in perspective, they've won 50 playoff games dating back to 07/08, when we beat them in 7 games.

That's more playoff wins than we've accumulated (44) SINCE OUR LAST CUP.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that we're not at the level of the Hawks or Bruins, and that ultimately how we match up with them in the regular season means jack and squat. Playoff hockey, as we see year after year, is a different beast, and we've not been equipped to play it for a long time.

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06-25-2013, 07:59 AM
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I'm also glad because a ''skill and speed team'' just beat 2 ''big/rough/physical teams'' in rounds 3 and 4. Yes, Chicago has some big guys, but their identity is a speed and skill game.

NHL hockey would have probably become fairly ugly if the Bruins had won again. Virtually everyone would have tried to copy them - with most teams having nowhere near the same personnel.

Thank god.
Chicago's skill is on another level from ours but anyways the skill players they have don't shy away from physical contact, at all. Sharp, Toews, Kane always going back getting some and never backing down. And Bickell no one challenged him, they have big boys that can hit as well.

Anyways I'm just happy the better team won and that Bergevin will try and build the same type of team but he has a **** load of work still to do to get even close to that level of play

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06-25-2013, 08:20 AM
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I'm no fan but... the guy also acquired picks/prospects by trading Cammy, AK and Gill...
Okay so nobody is claiming he's the Next Mike Milbury....only the adopted son of Mad Mike.

I'm happy that The Blackhawks won for a # of reasons.

1) I despise the Bruins and their thug mentality
2) I love the way the Hawks play hockey
3) Did I mention I detest the Bruins
4) If the Bruins would have won we would have seen more thuggery and wolf pack mentality with some other teams imitating the winners.
5) I forgot to mention I hate the Bruins
6) I would have committed hari kari if the Hawks would have lost.
7) The Hawks have been my distant, distant 2nd favorite team
8) Oh yeah.......I hate the Bruins.
9) Loved seeing the long face on Cam Neely. I don't know why but that guy rubs me the wrong way. Yes I know it's irrational nut I don't like him.
10) I forgot to add that I dislike the Bruins

NOTE I feel bad for Bergeron. He's one of my favorite players but that's what you get for staying with the Bears.

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06-25-2013, 08:28 AM
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Really? Vindication for Gauthier supporters?

He just got there.. he didn't DO anything. Did the Hawks even make a signing or trade since he's been hired?
I'm just waiting for the day he suggests to management to pick up Gomez, Kaberle or change the team concept to midget A players.

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06-25-2013, 08:32 AM
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So, you think they were bad moves I guess ?
There are two answers to your question.

Even Mike Milbury made some decent moves - doesn't make him a good GM.

A broken clock is right twice a day.

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06-25-2013, 09:14 AM
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There are two answers to your question.

Even Mike Milbury made some decent moves - doesn't make him a good GM.

A broken clock is right twice a day.
Your complete aversion to logic and sanity says a lot about you.

Edit: but let's stop bickering - the leafs got embarrassed, and the bruins lost. Not a bad playoffs.

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Okay so nobody is claiming he's the Next Mike Milbury....only the adopted son of Mad Mike.

I'm happy that The Blackhawks won for a # of reasons.

1) I despise the Bruins and their thug mentality
2) I love the way the Hawks play hockey
3) Did I mention I detest the Bruins
4) If the Bruins would have won we would have seen more thuggery and wolf pack mentality with some other teams imitating the winners.
5) I forgot to mention I hate the Bruins
6) I would have committed hari kari if the Hawks would have lost.
7) The Hawks have been my distant, distant 2nd favorite team
8) Oh yeah.......I hate the Bruins.
9) Loved seeing the long face on Cam Neely. I don't know why but that guy rubs me the wrong way. Yes I know it's irrational nut I don't like him.
10) I forgot to add that I dislike the Bruins

NOTE I feel bad for Bergeron. He's one of my favorite players but that's what you get for staying with the Bears.
It's heart warming to find that i'm not alone in my near-pathologic hatred of the gooins. Skill beats thuggery etc. Penicillin beats STDs. The planets are realigned and hopefully gms will "build" Hawk-like teams vs cave dweller teams.


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06-25-2013, 09:44 AM
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Your complete aversion to logic and sanity says a lot about you.

Edit: but let's stop bickering - the leafs got embarrassed, and the bruins lost. Not a bad playoffs.
...and the Habs were destroyed , exposing weaknesses in the process.

there are no opportunities to feel good when you see a debacle like the Habs put on against Ottawa. I can't feel good about 1 victory when the Bruins get 14 .

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One of the best parts of the Bruins meltdown was in the opener on CBC in which Donald Cherry guarantee that the series would go 7 games. How did that work out, Don?

I was impressed that Chicago did not get down once Boston scored the first goal and then then took the lead late in the 3rd. 17 seconds. Imagine throwing a season away withing less time than most radio commercials take. Gotta love seeing Chara on the ice when goals are scored. Kinda hard to cheapshot a moving target with cement skates, eh Zdeno?

The chances of Chicago not re-signing Bickell...who knows. He will be expensive and will he want to play in MTL? Hard to say.

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...and the Habs were destroyed , exposing weaknesses in the process.

there are no opportunities to feel good when you see a debacle like the Habs put on against Ottawa. I can't feel good about 1 victory when the Bruins get 14 .
I'm not sure if you saw my posts during or following the series but I was very much critical of Bergevin and Therrien and this team as a whole.

Bergevin hasn't shown anything, and Therrien got out-coached by Maclean despite having a superior team on paper. I'm very much disappointed in the Habs but at some point I got over it and can enjoy Toronto and Boston also not winning.

Edit: hell, I was even critical of Price.

This team played like cowards and losers, the tactics failed and the players failed. We weren't better at any point in any game we lost - perimeter play and lack of bravery.

That's why I want to get bigger, meaner, tougher as much as I want the team to get more skillful. That's why I want to get rid of "okay" players like Gionta, Desharnais and Bouillon and actually finally upgrade for once to above-average players.

I'm sick of past management (yes, even my intended, my beloved Gauthier) being reactive and lethargic. We weren't players or threats or contenders ever in the past so many years, we never had "too much" talent, we never had "too much size" or "too much speed". It was always patience, "timmins will take care of it" or "wait till Price grows". And then Gainey buys a bunch of overpaid mercenaries and during our "miracle run" we ended up getting pummelled and embarrassed by the Flyers anyway.

Don't tell me to be sad, I already am.

Out of every coach available they hired effin Michel Therrien, who narrowly beat out Marc effin Crawford. Says all we need to know about the Habs if you ask me. Insistent on being aggressively mediocre.

And 35 good games with fast and loose defense don't compensate for 12 putrid games and a 5-and-out to the Spezza-less Sens.


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Some Boston fans on my facebook are taking this very hard. 100x worse than Ottawa beating us

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I'm not sure if you saw my posts during or following the series but I was very much critical of Bergevin and Therrien and this team as a whole.

Bergevin hasn't shown anything, and Therrien got out-coached by Maclean despite having a superior team on paper. I'm very much disappointed in the Habs but at some point I got over it and can enjoy Toronto and Boston also not winning.

Edit: hell, I was even critical of Price.

This team played like cowards and losers, the tactics failed and the players failed. We weren't better at any point in any game we lost - perimeter play and lack of bravery.

That's why I want to get bigger, meaner, tougher as much as I want the team to get more skillful. That's why I want to get rid of "okay" players like Gionta, Desharnais and Bouillon and actually finally upgrade for once to above-average players.

I'm sick of past management (yes, even my intended, my beloved Gauthier) being reactive and lethargic. We weren't players or threats or contenders ever in the past so many years, we never had "too much" talent, we never had "too much size" or "too much speed". It was always patience, "timmins will take care of it" or "wait till Price grows". And then Gainey buys a bunch of overpaid mercenaries and during our "miracle run" we ended up getting pummelled and embarrassed by the Flyers anyway.

Don't tell me to be sad, I already am.

Out of every coach available they hired effin Michel Therrien, who narrowly beat out Marc effin Crawford. Says all we need to know about the Habs if you ask me. Insistent on being aggressively mediocre.

And 35 good games with fast and loose defense don't compensate for 12 putrid games and a 5-and-out to the Spezza-less Sens.
Nice prologue to your original post, I like it. And agree.

On the coach selection, this is a function of politics and the fact that the NHL is coach ECO friendly - recycle, reuse, ********. I mean , Tortorella has a job doesn't that say it all.

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Some Boston fans on my facebook are taking this very hard. 100x worse than Ottawa beating us
Example ?

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Some Boston fans on my facebook are taking this very hard. 100x worse than Ottawa beating us
Oh really? I can't imagine why.

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Some Boston fans on my facebook are taking this very hard. 100x worse than Ottawa beating us
The biggest bunch of sore losers, the Bruins fans I know are like that as well, very very childish

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I mean , Tortorella has a job doesn't that say it all.
Why does he suck exactly? i mean, except for a few ramblings of a few pissed of players, why does he suck?
I've always been a fan, and it feels like the media and fans are fixated on his "persona" , his attitude, giving him a bad rep based on that. Something that's almost irrelevant to coaching.

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