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06-25-2013, 02:06 AM
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Who would you have in mind? I don't know of many players besides the ones I listed that can lay big hits, cause a ruckus and put the puck in the net. Add in the fact Clutterbuck seems to shopped around and we have a perfect scenario to add a player that would improve this club a lot. I can guarantee it would be water under the bridge for Hall and the rest of the players who at this point in time absolutely hate the guy.

I'm all for getting a different player who plays a more respectable game, but I don't know of any who are possibly being traded and bring what he does.
My answer is easy and I have pimped him before. Anthony Peluso(WPG RFA) as a VERY functional super heavy. He can skate very well, can put up points, can bang with the legit heavies, and his age and cost would fit nicely in Edmonton. He can also make the huge hit and is not a liability if the need arises for him to skate a few shifts on one of the top lines. He didn't get much of a chance in the Peg, but when he did Volpatti basically turtled on his feet and Barch was split wide open. The broken hand from hitting the back of Volpatti's helmet ended his season early, but he would be the best heavy/able to play guys we have had in many years.

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Are they buying out Heatley? Just looked at capgeek, they have some salaries there.
He's hurt, they can't.

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06-25-2013, 02:08 AM
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Who would you have in mind? I don't know of many players besides the ones I listed that can lay big hits, cause a ruckus and put the puck in the net. Add in the fact Clutterbuck seems to shopped around and we have a perfect scenario to add a player that would improve this club a lot. I can guarantee it would be water under the bridge for Hall and the rest of the players who at this point in time absolutely hate the guy.

I'm all for getting a different player who plays a more respectable game, but I don't know of any who are possibly being traded and bring what he does.
Bunch of things wrong with the stat, but we could probably start the search here: http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/stats/by...n_2012&sort=16

Plenty of acquirable guys on that list who can play the game. We seem to have assets ready to move.

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06-25-2013, 02:09 AM
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I don't think Penner is on Mac T's radar for past reasons plus I don't think Dusty could make the new coaches fitness mantra.

Too Too or Cluttterbuck would work fine here. We haven't had a disturber on this team for quite some time. Long overdue.

I would love to have a guy like Chris Stewart here from St. Louis. Nice all round game would be killer.

Now that the cup has been hoisted we will see if Mac T 's bark has some bite.

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Are they buying out Heatley? Just looked at capgeek, they have some salaries there.
They might be, but then they need a top six forward.

He had a poor year but if they struggled to score with the talent there, would just get worse if they bought out heatley.

Keep in mind they just squeeked into 8th this year. They want to improve as well, I dont think buying out Heatly improves the Wild as a team.

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06-25-2013, 02:10 AM
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Sure. Give me Milan Lucic. But if he isnt available I might consider Clutterbuck. Fact is Im tired of watching this team get run out of the rink with little or no pushback. Would be nice if other teams didnt see Edmonton as the free square on the bingo card. Im hopeful that Eakins will see fit to actually play the physical players he does have, which has been a problem the last few years.
Can't see why he wouldn't so long as they can play hockey or are total specialists who get very specific ice time.

Let's push back. Absolutely. But let's do it the right way. A team that can actually and functionally push you around is what would remedy the situation if you believe that is the issue. Chicago did it to the Canucks. So did the Bruins.

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They might be, but then they need a top six forward.

He had a poor year but if they struggled to score with the talent there, would just get worse if they bought out heatley.
As Paralyzer noted, given that Heatley is injured, he cannot currently be bought out. This is why some teams will have to think long and hard about buying out guys like LeCavalier etc. Yes, in theory you can buy them out next offseason, but if they happen to suffer an injury in the latter part of the season, then suddenly those teams will be stuck with those contracts permanently. (Same applies to Horcoff, I guess, although in his case the concern is limited to cap flexibility for next season only).

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Keep in mind they just squeeked into 8th this year. They want to improve as well, I dont think buying out Heatly improves the Wild as a team.
Yep, and they did it playing in a division with Colorado, Calgary and Edmonton. Not too surprising that they bowed out early...

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06-25-2013, 02:17 AM
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Messier would also goon you as he did in the two examples I gave. He would never run and hide, but he would and did do despicable things on the ice. Bobby Clarke and the two handed slash on Kharlamov is another example. That play is still looked at today as a heroic event in that series by many.

One wonders how Canadians would feel if Kharlamov did that to Clarke? I would think the reaction would have been altogether different.
Messier certainly would do those things. The not running and hiding (like Cooke, Downie, Burrows, Kesler, Clutterbuck, etc) is very important to me. Be honest about what you're out there doing. That's way scarier for the opposition anyway.

Clarke/Kharlamov I don't understand well enough to comment. I get the gist from 72 specials and that, but don't have enough context. Before my time.

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06-25-2013, 02:17 AM
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having a physical mean hitter who is a clean player is almost an oxymoron, doesn't really exist.. you watch these playoffs and you see the marchands, raffi torres, and the burrows having the biggest impacts. Wether it be smashing a player and tilting the ice in their favour, or bugging a opponent to the point where they draw a powerplay. The game has changed, these players are specialists at what they do and I think we should embrace that. I think our team needs a **** disturber opposed to somebody who plays by the textbook and reacts instead of initiates. I would do anything for a lucic, clutterbuck, torres, or brad marchand. sign me up.

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Worst Roster Possible: What Tambo would have done (with Horc and Hemmer gone)

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Paajarvi-Gagner-Yakupov
R.Jones-Belanger-Brown
Eager-Lander-Petrell

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06-25-2013, 02:19 AM
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I take it we've all already given up on Bickell and Clarkson due to their projected cost?

I'm not so sure about that.

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06-25-2013, 02:23 AM
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having a physical mean hitter who is a clean player is almost an oxymoron, doesn't really exist.. you watch these playoffs and you see the marchands, raffi torres, and the burrows having the biggest impacts.
None of those guys played for the team that won.

You don't like Bickell, Shaw, Saad or those kind of guys?

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06-25-2013, 02:24 AM
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Worst Roster Possible: What Tambo would have done (with Horc and Hemmer gone)

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Paajarvi-Gagner-Yakupov
R.Jones-Belanger-Brown
Eager-Lander-Petrell

Smid-Petry
Schultz-Schultz
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Potter/Peckham

Dubnyk
Danis

MUHHAHAHAHAHAA


Then we can add in Monahan + Ekblad next year and McDavid the year after.

I miss uncle Tambo... the annual collection of #1's is sure to go all to hell now.

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None of those guys played for the team that won.

You don't like Bickell, Shaw, Saad or those kind of guys?
I'd love Shaw, don't think he is going anywhere though. I feel Bickell is just having a good year, and will be getting paid far too much than what he's worth. We have stuck to at least some sort of plan throughout the years of this rebuild, overpaying for a 2nd or 3rd liner in Bickell is simply not worth it.

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I take it we've all already given up on Bickell and Clarkson due to their projected cost?

I'm not so sure about that.
Clarkson has made it known he wants to stay out east.

Bickell is going to end up getting 4 - 5 million. It'd be nice to get him at a decent price(ie, 2nd/3rd line money), but it's not going to happen. The team has already gone through one Penner type deal and doesn't need to revisit that.

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06-25-2013, 02:31 AM
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I'd love Shaw, don't think he is going anywhere though. I feel Bickell is just having a good year, and will be getting paid far too much than what he's worth. We have stuck to at least some sort of plan throughout the years of this rebuild, overpaying for a 2nd or 3rd liner in Bickell is simply not worth it.
Brian Boyle would be an interesting and lower-cost alternative.

The Rangers are ripe for the picking. Lots of size and toughness. If you want a fringe player as well, Michael Haley is an interesting option. You might remember him from some of the Islanders craziness a couple years back, as well as scoring a couple beauty goals.

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None of those guys played for the team that won.

You don't like Bickell, Shaw, Saad or those kind of guys?
fair enough, like a poster above said I would like these players as well but don't see them moving. I also see Bickell getting a handsome raise, I just don't know if I can trust him.. I love the Bickell I saw this playoff run, but is that the same Bickell we'll see in the future?

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He's hurt, they can't.
Right. Same thing with San Jose and Havlat.

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I miss uncle Tambo... the annual collection of #1's is sure to go all to hell now.
Has he made any comment since getting fired? Seems like he just fell off the face of the earth. I pity the next team that hires him. I'll drink bleach if he gets an upper management position somehow.

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06-25-2013, 02:32 AM
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Clarkson has made it known he wants to stay out east.

Bickell is going to end up getting 4 - 5 million. It'd be nice to get him at a decent price(ie, 2nd/3rd line money), but it's not going to happen. The team has already gone through one Penner type deal and doesn't need to revisit that.
I'm not saying they should particularly. Just that I could see it happening.

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Worst Roster Possible: What Tambo would have done (with Horc and Hemmer gone)

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Paajarvi-Gagner-Yakupov
R.Jones-Belanger-Brown
Eager-Lander-Petrell

Smid-Petry
Schultz-Schultz
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MUHHAHAHAHAHAA

ehhh, we'll see this week whether we improve or if we ice a tambo team. Hopefully it's the former. Other then a couple poster's speculation, our team still looks like that.

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I hope all these rumors I have seen the past few days are real .

Hall - RNH - Eberle
???? - Gagner - Yakupov
Paajarvi - Peverley? - Clutterbuck?
???? - Smith? - Tootoo/Brown?
Smyth

That's a good starting point on improving the bottom 6. Now the defense/goaltending is another question.

Smid - Petry
???? - J Schultz
N Schultz - Belov

Dubnyk
????

Still a lot of holes in the lineup especially if we don't land any of the players in the rumor mill.

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None of those guys played for the team that won.

You don't like Bickell, Shaw, Saad or those kind of guys?
Unless Bickell wants to cash in to the highest bidder we won't be getting any of those 3 guys anytime soon.

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I think you might be able to get Bickell for 5 years at 4.5M. He could consider Edmonton given he could spend those years with RHN and Eberle. I would then roll out Hall-Gagner-Yakupov as a 1A line. I think MacT would need to make some other serious moves before July 5 to demontrate committment to icing a winning team before convincing Bickell (or other top UFAs) to sign here.

It's not unthinkable, but a long shot. Ottawa, Vancouver, San Jose and other teams with better track records will probably find the same kind of money for Bickell.

Clarkson is a RW - not a fit.

Better to rebuild the third line with guys like Peverley, Kelly, Bolland, Stalberg, Brodziak or other guys that other teams are looking to move for cap reasons, or guys who get bought out:

Malone, Leino, Versteeg, Upshall, Kopecky...there should be a lot of guys on the block or bought out this summer. The Oil are well positioned in terms of cap space and roster space - to add three pretty decent forwards (or more) and a legit top 4 defenseman.

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Pajaarvi, 7th
For
Yandle, rights to Boyd Gordon

Hemsky
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Prospect, pick
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Ufa - Ranger
Ufa - Mike Smith


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Smith / Dubnyk


Still need to add that 2nd line LW...

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