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06-25-2013, 12:34 PM
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2006 Draft...Staal v Toews

Was this the right choice?
If Towes was drafted, how would he fit as a 3rd line center?
Part of me wonders if him being here would have allowed us to move Malkin and have a more self-lish, responsible level of play.

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06-25-2013, 12:38 PM
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Staal was critical to winning in 2009 just like in the opposite direction Dan Bylsma is holding them back now.

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06-25-2013, 12:42 PM
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Or instead of Staal/Toews, what if they had drafted Kessel?

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06-25-2013, 12:43 PM
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Or Backstrom.

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staal helped us win a cup, so yeah, seems like the right choice.

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Toews should have been drafted over Staal but I don't see the need to rehash this pick over and over. Pens won the cup in 2009 and Staal played a pretty big role in that. Let's move on.

Also, what is self-lish? Why the need for a Malkin dig in here too? You have insulted Sid and Geno. Why not just be a Hawks fan.

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Who's Towes?

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No interest in Toews, especially if Malkin would have been moved to make space for him.

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What if Pittsburgh selected Milan Lucic in the second round?

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06-25-2013, 01:23 PM
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What if Pittsburgh selected Milan Lucic in the second round?
He can't skate well enough for Bylsma's tastes, so he would suffer the same fate as Iginla and Morrow.

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Toews should have been drafted over Staal but I don't see the need to rehash this pick over and over. Pens won the cup in 2009 and Staal played a pretty big role in that. Let's move on.

Also, what is self-lish? Why the need for a Malkin dig in here too? You have insulted Sid and Geno. Why not just be a Hawks fan.
I agree. If there was a re-do on the 2006 draft, STL at #1 takes Toews. The Pens missed on him, but it wasn't the worst miss of that draft, given how Erik Johnson never really got on track as expected.

The Pens got a guy who helped turn them into a playoff team in 2007 (which Toews wouldn't have done) and the Pens got a guy who was huge for them in winning a Cup.

It'd be a waste of time to have too much hindsight, all things considered.

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{Mod Edit}

It is called looking for answers to a totally disappointing season. But there is only one real answer and that was given a two-year extension.


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It is called looking for answers to a totally disappointing season. But there is only one real answer and that was given a two-year extension.
Looking for answers by bringing up the 2006 draft? Yeah that's really productive.

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06-25-2013, 01:58 PM
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It is called looking for answers to a totally disappointing season. But there is only one real answer and that was given a two-year extension.
Very true.

Still it's silly to look for answers for this past playoff series or any of our past postseason blunders since 2009.

We can sit here and ask "what if this had happened" or "what if he had traded for this guy in this year" or "what if we had a new coach this past playoff" all we want, but it doesn't change anything.

Frankly it just makes our wounds sting even more IMO.

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I remember really like Staal and thinking he could be a Primeau type but that nasty edge wasn't there.

Toews was great for NDak but he was without question a top 2 center. He played wing during his time there and looked pretty bad IMO. At that time his skating looked really strange and I don't think he could even stop on his right foot.

Kessel is a player that I've always hated. His game has come around by leaps and bounds the past two years but "The American Crosby" still is a very good player not a great one.

Backstrom is a player that I thought fit the Pens. He's looked good playing wing and his passing and zone entry were/are outstanding. I actually think that if he played wing with Sid, he could have been downright Kurri-like.

Maybe not at #2 but I'm a big Frolik fan. I like his skill, speed, two way game and puck get. I would have loved to have seen the Pens pick him up for a 3rd or 4th last year and put him on a line with Malkin and Neal. IMO he would have looked a lot like Voracek.

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I didn't want Toews. Now TOWES? That was who we should've picked, no contest.

Seriously though I still think Toews was the better pick but I don't know that it's quite a slam dunk with Toews kind of crapping out in these playoffs (and generally being kind of a pansy). The proof is in the pudding though so I think overall it's pretty clear cut. Just saying when their careers end there's still at least the "who knows" factor.

I have no doubt Toews would've done as well and probably better than Staal if given the same ice time Staal had from his rookie season on, with the exception of the 29 goals as an 18 year old. Toews can play regularly against first pairings as well and still produce, which Staal hasn't proven yet. Staal had Skinner on his wing this year and, because as I've always said Staal can't pass, didn't produce like a more well-rounded offensive center could have. His was also a -18 in a shortened season, a sign he might not be able to handle top 6 offensive duties while maintaining his defensive game.

I will be interested to see if Staal grows into that role this coming year. Until then Toews all the way for me.

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06-25-2013, 03:03 PM
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Stall > Towes

Ten times out of ten

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Wow people are sensitive on these boards. You select Toews over Staal any day. I would have taken Kessel as well. Spin it anyway you want, but Toews is a better player than Staal.

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Toews, Backstrom, and Kessel are all better than Staal so...no.

The pick worked out fine though since we won a cup and Staal was a big part of it. But we undoubtedly would have been a better team with any of the other three as they are all superior players to Staal.

We got Letang in the third or whatever in 05 so it all balances out.

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Its worthy of discussion and keep it on topic!!

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I wonder how we would have looked with Toewes.
Perhaps we could have gotten actual value for the second pick and have kept Towes, moved Malkin, and been a more focused, balanced team instead of a selfish uncoachable crew.

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Staal was a terrible draft choice given the talent available. Shero went for the sexy name and he paid the price for it.

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Staal was a terrible draft choice given the talent available. Shero went for the sexy name and he paid the price for it.
Yeah. They only made two Cup Finals and only won one Cup with that pick.

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Yeah. They only made two Cup Finals and only won one Cup with that pick.
Exactly and Staal might have been the Pens best player in that 09 finals. Saying Toews and Backstrom are better is one thing but don't start saying Staal was a bad pick.

Very interested in seeing what Frolik does with the Jets. I'm hoping he gets offensive time again.

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