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06-26-2013, 03:55 PM
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Im not wasting a Miller asset on Read and Mez.when you can pick up those assets rather easily thru other means. Miller needs to bring futures.
Miller isn't that big of an asset. He's a 33-year-old goalie with one year of team control left, so there probably isn't much of a market for him. I think a 27-year-old top six winger and a 28-year-old top four defenseman would be a respectable return.

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Josh Rimer, the guy with actual sources who broke the Miller/Flyers talks was just on WGR. Anybody want to talk about what he said the value would be? Anybody? Ok, I'll just tell you.

Rimer said it would have to start with the 11th overall pick, add a prospect like Couturier, maybe Read, and add another minor leaguer. But don't worry, you guys have it all figured out from behind your keyboards.

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Agreed, ultimately. I wonder if combining them would improve or harm their value, though.
Who knows.

I would love to be the fly on the wall when it comes to all the potential trade talks right about now.


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Josh Rimer, the guy with actual sources who broke the Miller/Flyers talks was just on WGR. Anybody want to talk about what he said the value would be? Anybody? Ok, I'll just tell you.

Rimer said it would have to start with the 11th overall pick, add a prospect like Couturier, maybe Read, and add another minor leaguer. But don't worry, you guys have it all figured out from behind your keyboards.
I think there will be a long line of volunteers to drive Miller to Philly for 11+Couts.


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Josh Rimer, the guy with actual sources who broke the Miller/Flyers talks was just on WGR. Anybody want to talk about what he said the value would be? Anybody? Ok, I'll just tell you.

Rimer said it would have to start with the 11th overall pick, add a prospect like Couturier, maybe Read, and add another minor leaguer. But don't worry, you guys have it all figured out from behind your keyboards.
What a joke. His word on what it would take is just as good as your average forum poster.

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Rimer said it would have to start with the 11th overall pick, add a prospect like Couturier, maybe Read, and add another minor leaguer.
Rimer thinks Miller could return all that? . The Sabres would be extremely lucky to get No. 11 straight up for Miller, let alone that entire package. Couturier? Try Miller and No. 8 at the very least.


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Josh Rimer, the guy with actual sources who broke the Miller/Flyers talks was just on WGR. Anybody want to talk about what he said the value would be? Anybody? Ok, I'll just tell you.

Rimer said it would have to start with the 11th overall pick, add a prospect like Couturier, maybe Read, and add another minor leaguer. But don't worry, you guys have it all figured out from behind your keyboards.
It wont be that much but it will be more than some of the **** floating around here.

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That's really, really hard to believe, but obviously I'd love nothing more than for him to be right.
Not me. Because if that's what it would take it won't get done. Hopefully the true value (to Darcy) is a hell of a lot more reasonable.

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Miller isn't that big of an asset. He's a 33-year-old goalie with one year of team control left, so there probably isn't much of a market for him. I think a 27-year-old top six winger and a 28-year-old top four defenseman would be a respectable return.
They do nothing for this team..use FA for your vet plugs...use your outgoing assets for futures. ID be happy with a mid to late 1st and decent prospect or a 2nd and a very good prospect.. I dont expect a huge return.

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Josh Rimer, the guy with actual sources who broke the Miller/Flyers talks was just on WGR. Anybody want to talk about what he said the value would be? Anybody? Ok, I'll just tell you.

Rimer said it would have to start with the 11th overall pick, add a prospect like Couturier, maybe Read, and add another minor leaguer. But don't worry, you guys have it all figured out from behind your keyboards.
what did Eklund say?

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What a joke. His word on what it would take is just as good as your average forum poster.
Yeah, I'd probably take the word of some of our esteemed posters over a guy who has connections all over the league. What would a guy who knows 95% of the players in the leagues phone number know?

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what did Eklund say?
Probably that Patrick Kane isnt a franchise player.

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Josh Rimer, the guy with actual sources who broke the Miller/Flyers talks was just on WGR. Anybody want to talk about what he said the value would be? Anybody? Ok, I'll just tell you.

Rimer said it would have to start with the 11th overall pick, add a prospect like Couturier, maybe Read, and add another minor leaguer. But don't worry, you guys have it all figured out from behind your keyboards.
I would see that happening if Miller was a couple years younger, didn't have only one year to go before UFA, and had more than one or two teams seriously interested in him.

As it stands, everyone knows Darcy has to get rid of the guy and very few people are looking for a starting goalie north of 30. He's not going to generate a bidding war.

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Yeah, I'd probably take the word of some of our esteemed posters over a guy who has connections all over the league. What would a guy who knows 95% of the players in the leagues phone number know?
he could have a bunch of phone numbers, and even have connections that clue him into "interest"... and still be coming up with his own poor evaluation of trade value.

Do you think Rimer made those comments based on conversations he's had with GMs? Like Holmgren/Regier said, it's going to take the 11th and Couturier to get Miller?

I doubt it

Sounds more like a guy who has information connecting 2 teams... and did what we do, which is come up with his own interpretation of trade value.

his interpretation is way off IMO... and I'd love love love to be wrong

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Josh Rimer, the guy with actual sources who broke the Miller/Flyers talks was just on WGR. Anybody want to talk about what he said the value would be? Anybody? Ok, I'll just tell you.

Rimer said it would have to start with the 11th overall pick, add a prospect like Couturier, maybe Read, and add another minor leaguer. But don't worry, you guys have it all figured out from behind your keyboards.
I think he meant it as:

1st
High Prospect/Solid Player like Couts/Read
Minor Leaguer

Not Couts and Read, but I agree on the principle that Miller will fetch a decent return, and he's not seen as trash like a lot of the proposals around here

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They do nothing for this team..use FA for your vet plugs...use your outgoing assets for futures. ID be happy with a mid to late 1st and decent prospect or a 2nd and a very good prospect.. I dont expect a huge return.
I see your point. I suppose, under the assumption that a.) Miller will definitely be dealt, and b.) there aren't many suitors for him, I'm in a "get whatever decent return you can" mindset - even if it means a couple of late-20-somethings.

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Yeah, I'd probably take the word of some of our esteemed posters over a guy who has connections all over the league. What would a guy who knows 95% of the players in the leagues phone number know?
Unless he actually said Buffalo asked for X or demanded Y for Miller, then his assessment of "what it would take" is purely speculative.

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And where are people getting that DR HAS to trade Miller? I havent read anywhere that he wants out of Buffalo

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And where are people getting that DR HAS to trade Miller? I havent eead anywhere that he wants out of Buffalo
Neither have I. But I'll eat my hat if he doesn't walk next summer, and Enroth is a viable alternate now.

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Unless he actually said Buffalo asked for X or demanded Y for Miller, then his assessment of "what it would take" is purely speculative.
exactly

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I think he meant it as:

1st
High Prospect/Solid Player like Couts/Read
Minor Leaguer

Not Couts and Read, but I agree on the principle that Miller will fetch a decent return, and he's not seen as trash like a lot of the proposals around here
I think the return will be pretty good, though certainly not a high first and a top prospect. Guys like Rimer are useful for their contacts and inside info, but I don't put a ton of weight on their predictions of trade value.

It was pretty clear that he was just spitballing re: Miller's potential return, and not speaking off of any concrete information. The forum (a local buffalo radio station) might also have influenced his comments a bit as well, skewing his prediction a bit higher than might be the case in a more neutral setting (i.e. on Sportsnet).

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Neither have I. But I'll eat my hat if he doesn't walk next summer, and Enroth is a viable alternate now.
I expect him to be dwalt bc it will help the rebuild. .but he doesnt have to be. I still dont buy Enroth as a viable alternative tho

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It's generous to assume this guy isn't just speculating about talks in the first place.

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If there is any talk of a 2013 1st or high end prospect like Couturier being offered for Miller, I say yes before they can renege on the deal. I would expect something closer to a 2013 2nd and a prospect/young roster player and a conditional 2014 pick (1st if he resigns/2nd if he does not). I think that is fair compensation for him as a rental in a buyers market for goalies with a boost if the team that takes him gets him signed to a long term contract.

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Josh Rimer, the guy with actual sources who broke the Miller/Flyers talks was just on WGR. Anybody want to talk about what he said the value would be? Anybody? Ok, I'll just tell you.

Rimer said it would have to start with the 11th overall pick, add a prospect like Couturier, maybe Read, and add another minor leaguer. But don't worry, you guys have it all figured out from behind your keyboards.
Given that he only has 1 year of term left (IMO the biggest detractor of value in a trade) and that his tenure in Buffalo seems at an end, I would be thrilled with #11. Add in a prospect like Couturier and I would be doing my half drunken, half naked kilt dance all the way to FNC. Would be a tremendous return IMO for 1 year of term. Although despite the term and contract I think Miller still has a lot to offer a team and could be part of a cup contender / winner.

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