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06-26-2013, 01:46 AM
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What Happened to Matt D'Agostini?

What has happened to his game? His career was really looking like it was headed in the right direction and then it seemingly appears to have fallen off a cliff. Why? What's the story?

I'd love any and all information about this player.

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06-26-2013, 02:07 AM
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He was never really that great. The only reason he put up those solid numbers that one season with us is because literally half our forwards were injured so he was forced into top 6 minutes.

He has a good shot, but that's really about it. The rest of his game is basically worthless...No consistent physical game, not very good defensively, not a great passer, doesn't use his speed to his advantage all the time, not a great possession player.

If he's not scoring, he's basically just floating around out there. He doesn't do a whole lot. He's not terrible, but really just an average 3rd-liner and nothing more.

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Yea he was never that great, due to injuries he was playing on a line with McDonald and Backes, thats where all the points came from. He has good speed and a good shot, unfortunately thats about it.

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He looked great in Montreal, too. He started off with 4, or 5 goals in his first 6 games, or some impressive streak. Started to fall off, so Montreal dealt him to St. Louis for a young D'agostini who, in turn sucked.

Looked like he had turned it around in St. Louis.

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He was never really that great. The only reason he put up those solid numbers that one season with us is because literally half our forwards were injured so he was forced into top 6 minutes.

He has a good shot, but that's really about it. The rest of his game is basically worthless...No consistent physical game, not very good defensively, not a great passer, doesn't use his speed to his advantage all the time, not a great possession player.

If he's not scoring, he's basically just floating around out there. He doesn't do a whole lot. He's not terrible, but really just an average 3rd-liner and nothing more.
I remember last summer when this is exactly what I said, and a bunch of Blues fans said I was ridiculous, that D'Agostini is a 20+ goal scorer, and that Schwartz wouldn't make the team because of D'Agostini.

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So he can produce with talented line mates and with a wealth of playing time, but he's so inconsistent that you don't really want to give him talented line mates or a bunch of playing time because he wastes the opportunity too frequently to justify it?

Is that about right?

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So he can produce with talented line mates and with a wealth of playing time, but he's so inconsistent that you don't really want to give him talented line mates or a bunch of playing time because he wastes the opportunity too frequently to justify it?

Is that about right?
He's a top 6 player on a bad team that doesn't have a spot on a good team. He has speed and a good wrist shot, that's it. He isn't a complete liability defensively though, so on a team that has a bunch of high salaried players, you could probably get by with him on the 2nd line. Ideally, he's a 2nd line player on a bad team.

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He looked great in Montreal, too. He started off with 4, or 5 goals in his first 6 games, or some impressive streak. Started to fall off, so Montreal dealt him to St. Louis for a young D'agostini who, in turn sucked.

Looked like he had turned it around in St. Louis.
He managed 20 goals under optimal circumstances, but he was never really a 20 goal caliber player on a healthy roster. He has a nice shot, but I can't really think of another part of his game that stands out positively.

In St Louis, his biggest problem was that he was a detriment on the bottom 6, but not good enough to warrant top 6 (or even top 9 when the Blues were putting together a more talented 3rd line). So...he had to sit as an injury reserve for the top lines.

I think there are probably a handful of teams in the league where he could work his way onto the regular roster. I was pretty happy to see the Blues manage to get anything for him, since it was clear he wasn't going to help the team win.

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Well, obviously my interest is Coyotes related. A defenseman has led our team in scoring two of the last three years and we've really only got one single guy on the team who is an actual, legit goal scorer (Vrbata). Everyone is is pass first (Boedker, Vermette, etc) or a plumber who just whacks it in ugly during a pile up in the crease (Doan, Moss, etc) and then we've got nothing but defensive forwards and role players.

I just wonder if you get Dags on a line with guys like Boedker and Vermette who are great passers, excellent skaters, very good defensively, and always hustle if they couldn't hide his shortcomings and amplify his strengths. At least enough where he could pop in 15-20g without hurting the team.

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Well, obviously my interest is Coyotes related. A defenseman has led our team in scoring two of the last three years and we've really only got one single guy on the team who is an actual, legit goal scorer (Vrbata). Everyone is is pass first (Boedker, Vermette, etc) or a plumber who just whacks it in ugly during a pile up in the crease (Doan, Moss, etc) and then we've got nothing but defensive forwards and role players.

I just wonder if you get Dags on a line with guys like Boedker and Vermette who are great passers, excellent skaters, very good defensively, and always hustle if they couldn't hide his shortcomings and amplify his strengths. At least enough where he could pop in 15-20g without hurting the team.
There should be plenty of other options to look into before D'Agostini. Dags would probably do best on a rush team, where he can better use his speed and shot. He's not even much of a sniper, so he's not going to find the open areas for playmakers to give him the puck.

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He was another Boyes, only with a much lower ceiling

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He has a very good shot but that's about it. I liked him but he's a top 9 RW.

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He's a gifted player in terms of offensive play. He's basically a liability when playing on the bottom 9 of a team, or when your team is in the defensive zone. Good shot, good at working plays in offensive zone when he's with good players.

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It's all about play from the circles in vs. the rest of the ice. From the top of the circles, D'Agostini can be a damn good player - not just his shot, he has fine vision and passing in that area, too. However, over the last couple of seasons, defensive schemes have adjusted and play from the circles in has become more about board play, protecting the puck, and driving the net. That minimized his abilities and you're left with a guy whose best attribute is not as relevant as it once was and could be in the perfect circumstances. If you can get him space and time on a team that doesn't rely heavily on chip & chase and prolonged cycling, he's effective; otherwise, he's a passenger. The problem is, there are plenty of players who match that description and ALSO provide more.

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