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06-25-2013, 04:19 PM
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Rank the #1 overall picks from 2004-2013. Consider MacKinnon 2013's.

How would you guys rank that?

Reference:

2004: Alexander Ovechkin
2005: Sidney Crosby
2006: Erik Johnson
2007: Patrick Kane
2008: Steven Stamkos
2009: John Tavares
2010: Taylor Hall
2011: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2012: Nail Yakupov
2013: Nathan MacKinnon


Mine:

1. Sidney Crosby (2005)
2. Steven Stamkos (2008)
3. Alexander Ovechkin (2004)
4. Patrick Kane (2007)
5. John Tavares (2009)
6. Nathan MacKinnon (2013)
7. Taylor Hall (2010)
8. Nail Yakupov (2012)
9. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (2011)
10. Erik Johnson (2006)

Note: I understand there is a lot of hindsight taken into this. There's no real way of gauging players taken after 2009. This is taking into consideration full potential, etc. In other words it's an arbitrary, dumb thread that isn't scientific at all and revolves around speculation and opinion.

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06-25-2013, 04:22 PM
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Crosby and Ovechkin are 1/2 in either order. Crosby is the best when he plays, but his health problems have led Ovechkin to accomplish so much more to date.

Then Stamkos and Kane, though Tavares probably ends up in this tier if he builds on last year.

Erik Johnson is definitely last among the established players.

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06-25-2013, 04:24 PM
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I'd be curious to know in which order Oilers fans rank Hall, RNH and Yakupov...

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06-25-2013, 04:28 PM
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I'm just ranking them based on how much I want them on my team, which is pretty universal all things considered.

1. Sidney Crosby
2. John Tavares
3. Steven Stamkos
4. Patrick Kane
5. Taylor Hall
6. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
7. Nathan MacKinnon
8. Nail Yakupov
9. Alexander Ovechkin
10. Erik Johnson

Edit: This is NOT based on talent level, but my desire to see them don the Red Wheel if they were available.

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06-25-2013, 04:32 PM
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Crosby and Ovechkin are 1/2 in either order. Crosby is the best when he plays, but his health problems have led Ovechkin to accomplish so much more to date.

Then Stamkos and Kane, though Tavares probably ends up in this tier if he builds on last year.

Erik Johnson is definitely last among the established players.
I really disagree




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06-25-2013, 04:34 PM
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1 Crosby
2 Ovechkin
3 Stamkos
4 Tavares
5 Kane
6 Hall
7 MacKinnon
8 RNH
9 Yakupov
10 Johnson

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06-25-2013, 04:35 PM
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Mine:

1. Sidney Crosby (2005)
2. Steven Stamkos (2008)
3. Alexander Ovechkin (2004)
4. Patrick Kane (2007)
5. John Tavares (2009)
6. Nathan MacKinnon (2013)
7. Taylor Hall (2010)
8. Nail Yakupov (2012)
9. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (2011)
10. Erik Johnson (2006)
I'd swap Ovechkin and Stamkos. Other than that, pretty good.

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1) Sidney Crosby
2) Alexander Ovechkin
3) Steven Stamkos
4) John Tavares
5) Patrick Kane
6) Taylor Hall
7) Nail Yakupov
8) Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
9) Nathan MacKinnon
10) Erik Johnson

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I really disagree
Team accomplishments =/= individual accomplishments.

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06-25-2013, 04:52 PM
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1. Crosby
2. Stamkos
3. Ovechkin
4. Kane
5. Tavares
6. MacKinnon
7. Hall
8. Yakupov
9. Nugent-Hopkins
10. Johnson

Oilers picked a terrible time to suck.

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06-25-2013, 04:55 PM
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My ranking:

#1 - Sidney Crosby (-05)
#2 - Alex Ovechkin (-04)
#3 - John Tavares (-09)
#4 - Steven Stamkos (-08)
#5 - Nathan MacKinnon (-13)
#6 - Taylor Hall (-10)
#7 - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (-11)
#8 - Patrick Kane (-07)
#9 - Nail Yakupov (-12)
#10 - Erik Johnson (-06)

I realize that I have Kane lower than many others have, but he has some big flaws despite the two Stanley Cups... He's a great player, but so are the seven guys above him.

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My ranking:

#1 - Sidney Crosby (-05)
#2 - Alex Ovechkin (-04)
#3 - John Tavares (-09)
#4 - Steven Stamkos (-08)
#5 - Nathan MacKinnon (-13)
#6 - Taylor Hall (-10)
#7 - Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (-11)
#8 - Patrick Kane (-07)
#9 - Nail Yakupov (-12)
#10 - Erik Johnson (-06)

I realize that I have Kane lower than many others have, but he has some big flaws despite the two Stanley Cups... He's a great player, but so are the seven guys above him.
The only people who would take RNH over Kane have to be Oilers fa..... Yup.

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The only people who would take RNH over Kane have to be Oilers fa..... Yup.
Kane's scoring high so far has been 88 points, and don't see him getting much more than that. Nugent-Hopkins in my opinion could reach 100 points someday.

Also, Kane is somewhat replaceable... Blackhawks wouldn't miss him that much if they still would have Toews, Keith and Seabrook.

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oh no this thread is gonna start a huge debate with the Oil fans thinking their guys should be top 5 haha

heres mine
1 Crosby
2 Ovechkin
3 Kane
4 Stamkos
5 Tavares
6 Hall
7 Yakupov
8 RNH
9 Johnson
10 Mackinnon

Had to put Mackinnon last for obvious reasons.. no NHL games yet


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06-25-2013, 05:02 PM
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1. Sidney Crosby (2005)
2. Alexander Ovechkin (2004)
3. Steven Stamkos (2008)
4. John Tavares (2009)
5. Patrick Kane (2007)
6. Taylor Hall (2010)
7. Nathan MacKinnon (2013)
8. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (2011)
9. Nail Yakupov (2012)
10. Erik Johnson (2006)

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Kane's scoring high so far has been 88 points, and don't see him getting much more than that. Nugent-Hopkins in my opinion could reach 100 points someday.

Also, Kane is somewhat replaceable... Blackhawks wouldn't miss him that much if they still would have Toews, Keith and Seabrook.
You arent saying a 2 time Cup winner and Conn smythe winner is more replaceable than RNH are you????
I think Kane is one of the most dangerous and exciting player in the NHL right now and it would be a HUGE blow to the Hawks not having him

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Why are we adding MacKinnon? We don't know who will be picked 1st yet...

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How can anyone possibly rank John Tavares above Patrick Kane? If Tavares ever won two Stanley Cups and a Conn Smythe to go with it between now and 2030, that would be nothing short of reaching his potential. Kane has already done everything you could dream of Tavares accomplishing and he's only 2 years older.

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Kane's scoring high so far has been 88 points, and don't see him getting much more than that. Nugent-Hopkins in my opinion could reach 100 points someday.

Also, Kane is somewhat replaceable... Blackhawks wouldn't miss him that much if they still would have Toews, Keith and Seabrook.
yea i guess i agree.

wait, no i don't.

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yea i guess i agree.

wait, no i don't.

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You arent saying a 2 time Cup winner and Conn smythe winner is more replaceable than RNH are you????
I think Kane is one of the most dangerous and exciting player in the NHL right now and it would be a HUGE blow to the Hawks not having him
I thought that this was about talent and potential, not just about team and personal achievements. Because then you'd obviously got to have Kane as #2... even though he isn't near the 2nd best player in that group.

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1) Sidney Crosby
2) Patrick Kane
3) John Tavares
4) Steven Stamkos
5) Alexander Ovechkin
6) Nail Yakupov
7) Nathan MacKinnon
8) Taylor Hall
9) Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
10) Erik Johnson

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Kane's scoring high so far has been 88 points, and don't see him getting much more than that. Nugent-Hopkins in my opinion could reach 100 points someday.

Also, Kane is somewhat replaceable... Blackhawks wouldn't miss him that much if they still would have Toews, Keith and Seabrook.
88 points is more than anything any of Hall, Yakupov and RNH will put up.

I guarantee you that.

Stamkos and Tavares have trouble putting up 100 points and those guys are much better than RNH.

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88 points is more than anything any of Hall, Yakupov and RNH will put up.

I guarantee you that.

Stamkos and Tavares have trouble putting up 100 points and those guys are much better than RNH.
You don't think either Hall or RNH will reach 88 points eventually at some point? I'm not sure if Yakupov will, but Hall already had over PPG this season...

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Oh no here we go with the Oiler silliness.. I knew this would happen haha

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Could anybody justify Tavares over Kane? And I hate Patrick Kane.

Oilers really did pick the worst possible time to suck.

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