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Rank the #1 overall picks from 2004-2013. Consider MacKinnon 2013's.

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06-25-2013, 07:49 PM
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88 points is more than anything any of Hall, Yakupov and RNH will put up.

I guarantee you that.

Stamkos and Tavares have trouble putting up 100 points and those guys are much better than RNH.
Ooooh, a guarantee.

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06-25-2013, 07:50 PM
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Hall outproduces Tavares though...
No, he doesn't.

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06-25-2013, 07:53 PM
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You know scouts look for much more than just the players trophies and point-totals? They look for the little things that doesn't show up on the scoreboard.

At least I base my opinion of what I've seen of them play in juniors, not just watching the scoreboard. Points and trophies are good and all, but doesn't necessarily show you the truth.
I doubt Hall won back to back Memorial Cup MVP's by accident. Considering he was chosen for the award over guys like Fowler, ryan ellis, adam henrique, zack kassian ect. And if you did in fact watch Hall in junior then you would know he didnt ride his teammates backs to the finals. He was the go-to guy.

And unless you're a scout I highly doubt you watched all of Hall,Mackinnon,RNH, and Yakupov live in junior considering they played in 3 different leagues across canada. So you would of had the same viewpoint as the rest of us.

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06-25-2013, 08:01 PM
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No, he doesn't.
Taylor Hall EDM Games 45 G 16 A 34 P 50
John Tavares Games 48 G 28 A 19 P 47


Last year he did. I still think Tavares is a better player though.

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06-25-2013, 08:22 PM
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I doubt Hall won back to back Memorial Cup MVP's by accident. Considering he was chosen for the award over guys like Fowler, ryan ellis, adam henrique, zack kassian ect. And if you did in fact watch Hall in junior then you would know he didnt ride his teammates backs to the finals. He was the go-to guy.

And unless you're a scout I highly doubt you watched all of Hall,Mackinnon,RNH, and Yakupov live in junior considering they played in 3 different leagues across canada. So you would of had the same viewpoint as the rest of us.
Hall was in juniors a year longer than MacKinnon. In his second year in the juniors, MacKinnon won the memorial cup MVP with a much more dominating performance.

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06-25-2013, 08:34 PM
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1. Sidney Crosby
2. Alex Ovechkin
3. Steven Stamkos
4. John Tavares
5. Patrick Kane
6. Nathan MacKinnon
7. Taylor Hall
8. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
9. Nail Yakupov
10. Erik Johnson

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06-25-2013, 08:35 PM
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That is a good point, I just don't see how he has done anything spectacular to put himself in the same category as them. Its not like we have the next sidney crosby in this draft where we have been waiting for him ever since playing in the WJC at 16 years old and being a top end player.
I don't see Hall as being part of the Tavares Kane group. I think he and MacKinnon are pretty close (I'd probably take MacKinnon, you'd take Hall). I'd easily take either over Yakupov or RNH.

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06-25-2013, 08:39 PM
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Ovechkin
Crosby
Kane
Stamkos
Tavares
Hall
RNH
Yakupov
Johnson

Not ranking Mac as he is an unknown quantity really.

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06-25-2013, 08:41 PM
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Hall was in juniors a year longer than MacKinnon. In his second year in the juniors, MacKinnon won the memorial cup MVP with a much more dominating performance.
In his second year in juniors Mackinnon was also older than Hall was in his 2nd year in juniors. And he didn't outproduce Hall throughout the entire playoffs in that year. But still a good point.

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06-25-2013, 08:50 PM
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Lol @ people ranking MacKinnon above Hall before he even plays a game.

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06-25-2013, 08:57 PM
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Crosby
Ovechkin
Stamkos

Kane
Tavares
Hall

MacKinnon
Yakupov

Johnson
RNH

It's sort of cool that this could be a present day ranking as well.

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06-25-2013, 08:58 PM
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In his second year in juniors Mackinnon was also older than Hall was in his 2nd year in juniors. And he didn't outproduce Hall throughout the entire playoffs in that year. But still a good point.
MacKinnon would have been only 2.5 month older than Hall in their 2nd junior year. MacKinnon didn't need to outproduce Hall in the playoffs, Halifax lost only 1 game. They steamrolled every team, so their playoff numbers are harder to compare. When it really counted though, MacKinnon was absolutely dominant.

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06-25-2013, 09:02 PM
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RNH overrated so badly! It's laughable kane>>>>>>>>>>>Hall\Rnh\yakupov and no I'm not just going by this years playoffs for Kane
Then perhaps you'd like to expand on this. Is it his monster size and physicality? Killer 2 way game? (And please don't reference the fact he received a 2nd place vote in Selke voting, because I'm pretty sure the clown that placed that vote may have also given Toews a 1st place vote, Frolik a 4th place vote, and somewhat conveniently forgot Bergeron and Datsyuk played in the NHL).

Kane is a fantastic offensive player, and can be dangerous on the forecheck picking off passes (an aggressive man's defence), but he is a non-factor along the boards and average at best in his own zone. RNH may have suffered through a sophomore slump while playing injured, but I assure you this won't even be a debate in a few years, his game is far more complete than Kane's. Maybe we should give the kid a chance to play a few games in his 20's, seeing as how 99 of his 102 games have been played age 19 or younger.

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06-25-2013, 09:03 PM
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Crosby
Ovechkin
Stamkos
Tavares
Kane
MacKinnon
Hall
Yakupov
RNH
Johnson

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06-25-2013, 09:07 PM
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Theoretically speaking, if EJ's play did not tail off after the injury after his first 2 seasons 33 pts in 69, 39 in 79, where would he be on this list? If he was a 45 pt defenseman with the defensive play he currently has, where would he rank?

I'm not particularly a fan of his, or the Avalanche, but I still feel like he will regain that form.

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06-25-2013, 09:29 PM
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Theoretically speaking, if EJ's play did not tail off after the injury after his first 2 seasons 33 pts in 69, 39 in 79, where would he be on this list? If he was a 45 pt defenseman with the defensive play he currently has, where would he rank?

I'm not particularly a fan of his, or the Avalanche, but I still feel like he will regain that form.
No Sacco is a godsend for his development

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06-25-2013, 09:46 PM
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Then perhaps you'd like to expand on this. Is it his monster size and physicality? Killer 2 way game? (And please don't reference the fact he received a 2nd place vote in Selke voting, because I'm pretty sure the clown that placed that vote may have also given Toews a 1st place vote, Frolik a 4th place vote, and somewhat conveniently forgot Bergeron and Datsyuk played in the NHL).

Kane is a fantastic offensive player, and can be dangerous on the forecheck picking off passes (an aggressive man's defence), but he is a non-factor along the boards and average at best in his own zone. RNH may have suffered through a sophomore slump while playing injured, but I assure you this won't even be a debate in a few years, his game is far more complete than Kane's. Maybe we should give the kid a chance to play a few games in his 20's, seeing as how 99 of his 102 games have been played age 19 or younger.
So do you think RNH is better than Kane? just curious

And also I am VERY curious to see your top 10 list


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06-25-2013, 09:52 PM
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1. Sidney Crosby (2005)
2. Alexander Ovechkin (2004)
3. Steven Stamkos (2008)
4. John Tavares (2009)
5. Patrick Kane (2007)
6. Taylor Hall (2010)
7. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (2011)
8. Nail Yakupov
9. Erik Johnson (2006)


I'm not going to rank Nathan MacKinnon until he's actually drafted no. 1

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1. Sidney Crosby (2005)
2. Alexander Ovechkin (2004)
3. Steven Stamkos (2008)
4. John Tavares (2009)
5. Patrick Kane (2007)
6. Taylor Hall (2010)
7. Nathan MacKinnon (2013)
8. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (2011)
9. Nail Yakupov (2012)
10. Erik Johnson (2006)
This is my list. Maybe switch OV and Stammer, but other then that looks golden.

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06-25-2013, 09:58 PM
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1. Sidney Crosby
2. Alexander Ovechkin
3. Steven Stamkos
4. Patrick Kane
5. John Tavares
6. Taylor Hall
7. Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
8. Nail Yakupov
9. Nathan Mackinnon
10. Erik Johnson

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1. Ovechkin
2. Crosby
3. Tavares
4. Stamkos
5. Mackinnon
6. Kane
7. RNH
8. Hall
9. Yakupov
10. Johnson

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Kane's scoring high so far has been 88 points, and don't see him getting much more than that. Nugent-Hopkins in my opinion could reach 100 points someday.

Also, Kane is somewhat replaceable... Blackhawks wouldn't miss him that much if they still would have Toews, Keith and Seabrook.
This whole comment. Get back to me when RNH scores 60 points, much less 88.

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Lol @ people ranking MacKinnon above Hall before he even plays a game.
Isn't that the point... the thread is asking to rank MacKinnon based purely on projection

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06-25-2013, 10:12 PM
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The general consensus seems something like this:

Two oldest players:
1. Crosby
2. Ovechkin

Next 3 oldest players:
3. Stamkos
4. Tavares
5. Kane

The 4 youngest players:
6. Hall
7. MacKinnon
8. RNH
9. Yakupov

And a bust:
10. Johnson

Is this thread for accomplishments or potential? Not that I don't agree that the consensus could work with both but I'd be very curious to see a thread like this 5-10 years ago and see where players like Kane and Tavares were ranked early on

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