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06-27-2013, 10:39 PM
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What do you have against a guy who scored on pace for 61 points, positive Corsi of 7, still possesses an elite hockey sense at the age of 41, played against above average competition, and made his team better on the ice than when he was off it?
I have something against the fact he basically can only play 20 to 25 second shifts these days when you watch him. I also don't think he is capable of a 82+ game season anymore especially with his work out routine. I know it helped for a long period of time and it sounds like a selling point, but I think he is burning the candle at both ends these days because of it.

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06-27-2013, 10:43 PM
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I have something against the fact he basically can only play 20 to 25 second shifts these days when you watch him. I also don't think he is capable of a 82+ game season anymore especially with his work out routine. I know it helped for a long period of time and it sounds like a selling point, but I think he is burning the candle at both ends these days because of it.
For the 4.5m price tag he's suggesting, there are just better options for DET

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06-28-2013, 12:19 AM
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Jagr? The hell? I highly, highly doubt the Wings brass have even internally brought up his name, thankfully. He doesn't fit on this roster in any way, shape, or form.

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Jagr? The hell? I highly, highly doubt the Wings brass have even internally brought up his name, thankfully. He doesn't fit on this roster in any way, shape, or form.
I hope you're right...They've offered him contracts before.

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06-28-2013, 01:57 AM
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I hope you're right...They've offered him contracts before.
And pulled their offer, along with the Pens, once he broke his own deadline and started hearing more offers which landed him in Philly.

I still think the Wings have a sour taste in their mouth after that one.

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06-28-2013, 03:30 AM
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Jagr? The hell? I highly, highly doubt the Wings brass have even internally brought up his name, thankfully. He doesn't fit on this roster in any way, shape, or form.
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And pulled their offer, along with the Pens, once he broke his own deadline and started hearing more offers which landed him in Philly.

I still think the Wings have a sour taste in their mouth after that one.
didn't the Wings kick some tires about trading for him just a couple months ago at the deadline?

I highly doubt he ends up here but i'm sure they've at least discussed it internally

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06-28-2013, 03:46 AM
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didn't the Wings kick some tires about trading for him just a couple months ago at the deadline?
I never saw anything outside of writers speculating they'd be interested. I guess it's possible. But Jagr requested to be dealt to a contender, and GM Joe being the nice guy he is, subsequently negotiated a fair deal with Boston. Due to conditions being met (conference finals), the Bruins end up giving the Stars a 1st round pick. Pretty good return for a 41-year-old rental.

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06-28-2013, 05:28 AM
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Yes yes and more yes.
Don't think that third line would bring much offense I'm afraid... Tatar with 2 guys with stone-hands...

Both Chicago and Boston had 3 offensive lines and only one checking line

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Don't think that third line would bring much offense I'm afraid... Tatar with 2 guys with stone-hands...

Both Chicago and Boston had 3 offensive lines and only one checking line
If the Wings sign Lecavalier it opens up so many possibilities and they become really hard to play against because of his size.

Abdelkader, Datsyuk, Zetterberg
Tatar, Lecavalier, Franzen
Nyquist, Andersson, Brunner (or other FA, Trade guy)
Miller, Helm (Sheahan), Eaves

Those are four pretty good NHL lines. That second line would be so hard to play against because both Vinny and Franzen are so hard to move off the puck. Tatar would have a lot of open ice which means goals. Then that third line just as it did in the playoffs, turns things into pure speed on the wing and a lanky long reach center who's also hard to move.

Now, if they Smith, Kindl and Dekeyser take another step forward, the Wings are in pretty good shape. If they cant move Carlo, then move Quincey either for a late 2nd or to move up a few spots in the first. I actually think if Detroit can make a deal with Mtr to trade down, that would be great.

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06-28-2013, 06:05 AM
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if the wings even consider jagr as the summers best acquistion we instantly become the joke of the league

the DRW of 2012-2013 were not a jammy jagr away from winnng the cup let alone an OT period

jagr is a guy you add at the deadline for some extra playoff experience and nothing more

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06-28-2013, 06:19 AM
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if the wings even consider jagr as the summers best acquistion we instantly become the joke of the league

the DRW of 2012-2013 were not a jammy jagr away from winnng the cup let alone an OT period

jagr is a guy you add at the deadline for some extra playoff experience and nothing more
I want nothing to do with Jagr.

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06-28-2013, 07:12 AM
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I have something against the fact he basically can only play 20 to 25 second shifts these days when you watch him. I also don't think he is capable of a 82+ game season anymore especially with his work out routine. I know it helped for a long period of time and it sounds like a selling point, but I think he is burning the candle at both ends these days because of it.
How about you look at the actual stats before spewing this garbage. In the playoffs, Jaromir Jagr averaged 47 seconds per shift. In his 11 games with the Bruins, he averaged 60 seconds per shift. For the Stars? He averaged 51 seconds per shift. In other words, His coaches turned to him to log on average 18 minutes a night playing against decent competition.

Can we have the next terrible argument for why we don't want Jaromir Jagr?


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How about you look at the actual stats before spewing this garbage. In the playoffs, Jaromir Jagr averaged 47 seconds per shift. In his 11 games with the Bruins, he averaged 60 seconds per shift. For the Stars? He averaged 51 seconds per shift. In other words, His coaches turned to him to log on average 18 minutes a night playing against decent competition.

Can we have the next terrible argument against why we don't want Jaromir Jagr?
How many goals did he score in the playoffs anyways?

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06-28-2013, 07:23 AM
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How about you look at the actual stats before spewing this garbage. In the playoffs, Jaromir Jagr averaged 47 seconds per shift. In his 11 games with the Bruins, he averaged 60 seconds per shift. For the Stars? He averaged 51 seconds per shift. In other words, His coaches turned to him to log on average 18 minutes a night playing against decent competition.

Can we have the next terrible argument against why we don't want Jaromir Jagr?
he is 40 years old

the wings have no actual young core anymore

every top team does

if we are not allowed to trade for good young payers and refuse to sign good young players then just let the kids play and develop into good young players

jagr would have been a great 2009 deadline acquistion, he is a horrible summer 2013 acquistion

jagr even taking 2 mins away per game from nyquist/tatar/brunner would be an embrassment

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06-28-2013, 07:58 AM
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he is 40 years old

the wings have no actual young core anymore

every top team does

if we are not allowed to trade for good young payers and refuse to sign good young players then just let the kids play and develop into good young players

jagr would have been a great 2009 deadline acquistion, he is a horrible summer 2013 acquistion

jagr even taking 2 mins away per game from nyquist/tatar/brunner would be an embrassment
Depending what other moves are made, we could easily ice Jagr and the kids without taking minutes from anyone.

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How many goals did he score in the playoffs anyways?
Shooting Percentage of 0%, even though he took the fourth highest amount of shots per game during the playoffs on his team.

By the way, he also set up some sick goals.

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If the Wings sign Lecavalier it opens up so many possibilities and they become really hard to play against because of his size.

Abdelkader, Datsyuk, Zetterberg
Tatar, Lecavalier, Franzen
Nyquist, Andersson, Brunner (or other FA, Trade guy)
Miller, Helm (Sheahan), Eaves

Those are four pretty good NHL lines. That second line would be so hard to play against because both Vinny and Franzen are so hard to move off the puck. Tatar would have a lot of open ice which means goals. Then that third line just as it did in the playoffs, turns things into pure speed on the wing and a lanky long reach center who's also hard to move.

Now, if they Smith, Kindl and Dekeyser take another step forward, the Wings are in pretty good shape. If they cant move Carlo, then move Quincey either for a late 2nd or to move up a few spots in the first. I actually think if Detroit can make a deal with Mtr to trade down, that would be great.
Thats pretty much what I would want. I would like Quincey moved and bring in a different #2 or #3 guy.

I dont like Abs on the 1st line but if its with Datsyuk and Z I can live with it.

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Shooting Percentage of 0%, even though he took the fourth highest amount of shots per game during the playoffs on his team.

By the way, he also set up some sick goals.

NEXT.
inorder of importance to the bruins this year here is where jagr falls
-rask
-bergeron
-chara
-krecji
-lucic
-horton
-marchand
-sidenberg
-kelly
-boychuk
-seguin
-jagr

thats how valuable he was to the Bruins this post-season

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06-28-2013, 09:22 AM
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Sweet, maybe we can get Seguin.

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Sweet, maybe we can get Seguin.

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With the names of players being bought out right now(Briere, Lecavalier, more to come I'm sure) and what's already going to be available(Horton, Clarkson, Weiss, Bickell) it seems more and more likely that Filppula is going to be finding his long term, $5mil+ AAV contract in the basement of the Alamo... Here's what I'd like to see:

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Drew Miller ($1.350m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.875m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)
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Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Kyle Quincey ($3.775m) / Brendan Smith ($1.750m)
Danny DeKeyser ($1.350m) / Jakub Kindl ($1.500m)
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I would be weary hoping to sign Lecavalier.

He has been OK statistically, but more so his numbers only seem to do well when he gets playing time with St. Louis.

When he is off that line, or not on the PP with him, things seem to go poorly.

But maybe someone can actually find this kind of stat comparison.

I think Lecavalier is over the hill. Now if Richards gets bought out, I would be more favorable for him.

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Richards and Lecavalier are the same age btw.

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Richards and Lecavalier are the same age btw.
Didn't Lecavalier tip off the Lightning about his buddy Richards in the later rounds? What a steal that was for them. Too bad huge contracts and financial issues had to break up the team.

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