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08-08-2013, 10:00 PM
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Dmitry Kulikov

I'm extremely high on Kulikov and to be honest I'd be hoping to "buy low" on him, that said my starting offer would be:

2014 Colorado first (top 5 protected)
McGinn
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08-08-2013, 10:28 PM
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I'd do Read, 1 of Coburn/Meszaros/Haag/Gostisbehere and a 1st

Although I'm admittedly not too familiar with the Panthers so I'm not entirely sure what their needs are. I know they're set down the middle with Barkov and Bjugstad. Read could help solidify their top 9. Coburn or Meszaros could replace Kulikov in the lineup or if they have prospects ready to break through they could let Haag or Gostisbehere develop.

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08-08-2013, 10:30 PM
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I'm extremely high on Kulikov and to be honest I'd be hoping to "buy low" on him, that said my starting offer would be:

2014 Colorado first (top 5 protected)
McGinn
Wilson

Care to pitch in Cats fans? Any other fan bases outbid?
Wilson does nothing for them, McGinn is a good player but nothing special (in comparison to blue chippers at least) and the pick is weak.

O'Reilly is probably the only logical piece.

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08-08-2013, 10:34 PM
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Wilson does nothing for them, McGinn is alright but nothing special and the pick is weak.

O'Reilly is probably the only logical piece.
I was just going to post the same comment and that seems about right.

I'd love Kulikov on the Habs, I don't know if I'd be willing to trade Eller for him but that's probably what it would take, plus maybe a bit more from Montreal.

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Wilson does nothing for them, McGinn is a good player but nothing special (in comparison to blue chippers at least) and the pick is weak.

O'Reilly is probably the only logical piece.
Even there I doubt they're too interested after drafting Barkov and having no other quality LHDs for the future.

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Personally I don't want to trade Kulikov. We couldn't get back the value I would want for him to trade him.

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I'd do Read, 1 of Coburn/Meszaros/Haag/Gostisbehere and a 1st

Although I'm admittedly not too familiar with the Panthers so I'm not entirely sure what their needs are. I know they're set down the middle with Barkov and Bjugstad. Read could help solidify their top 9. Coburn or Meszaros could replace Kulikov in the lineup or if they have prospects ready to break through they could let Haag or Gostisbehere develop.
1st + Read +Coburn/Haag/Gostisbehere is an overpayment

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I'd do something around ROR at the deadline.

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I don't want to trade him at all. He was arguably the Panthers best defenseman last year. I think he's poised for a true breakout season barring any major injuries. I believe he'll see powerplay time on the the first unit playing next to Campbell.

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How has his offense developed?

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He's not going anywhere, only reason his name ever popped up was because we thought Jones wanna lock and we were hunting for offense. You sure as hell ain't getting him cheap.

He has some big holes in his game but they can be worked on.

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08-09-2013, 12:54 AM
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I'm extremely high on Kulikov and to be honest I'd be hoping to "buy low" on him, that said my starting offer would be:

2014 Colorado first (top 5 protected)
McGinn
Wilson

Care to pitch in Cats fans? Any other fan bases outbid?
I think you could have stopped this post after 3 words given the proposal. I'd think o'Riley and a 2nd

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08-09-2013, 02:38 AM
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I think you could have stopped this post after 3 words given the proposal. I'd think o'Riley and a 2nd
Your offer is more fair, but Florida isn't taking that contract, especially when our first 2 line centers are set (Barkov, Bjugstad)

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Your offer is more fair, but Florida isn't taking that contract, especially when our first 2 line centers are set (Barkov, Bjugstad)
Well, I wouldn't say they are set.

However, ROR's salary + high qualifying offer = lower vale from the Panthers.

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08-09-2013, 08:34 AM
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I was just going to post the same comment and that seems about right.

I'd love Kulikov on the Habs, I don't know if I'd be willing to trade Eller for him but that's probably what it would take, plus maybe a bit more from Montreal.
I think that Florida would ask for Pacioretty instead of Eller.

Won't happen.

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1st + Read +Coburn/Haag/Gostisbehere is an overpayment
Considering Coburn is the closest to Kulikov, Read is a UFA and the 1st should be a late first, it's not really overpayment at all.

Then you factor in that Florida isn't a charity and you see that it only slightly helps Florida unless they can re-sign Read.

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Well, I wouldn't say they are set.

However, ROR's salary + high qualifying offer = lower vale from the Panthers.
ROR's remaining salary at the deadline (when he is first able to be traded) will be less than $1.7m.

He isn't going to get his QO. If ROR refuses a $5.5mx5 deal, he'll be taken to arb and get $5.525m for 1 year. The only reason he tries to force his QO is if he really doesn't like the situation in CO and is essentially trying to force a trade. Obviously, if he's traded to FL and is the number 2 C behind Barkov, that's no longer an issue.

Anyway, back to Kulikov. Just wanted to clear up a couple things about ROR's contract/demands.

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ROR's remaining salary at the deadline (when he is first able to be traded) will be less than $1.7m.

He isn't going to get his QO. If ROR refuses a $5.5mx5 deal, he'll be taken to arb and get $5.525m for 1 year. The only reason he tries to force his QO is if he really doesn't like the situation in CO and is essentially trying to force a trade. Obviously, if he's traded to FL and is the number 2 C behind Barkov, that's no longer an issue.

Anyway, back to Kulikov. Just wanted to clear up a couple things about ROR's contract/demands.
I would have to assume that Florida doesn't want to trade for a guy, where they some strength in their prospects, and dish out money to retain him.

I don't see the Panthers improving until their prospects like Bjugstad, Howden, Petrovic, Trocheck make the team AND come into their own. Until then, I can't see ownership willing to spend more than they have to. Especially with a lot of their Free agent signings(Flash, Upshall, Bergenheim etc) come off the books for the 2015 season, they'll be penny pinching till they have to spend a lot to reach the floor again.

Anyways, unless Bjugstad and Shore decide to quit hockey to become firemen, I doubt the Panthers would be shopping Kulikov for a center. If anything, a PF winger or a "sniper" would be their asking price for him IMO

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Can Florida afford to trade Kulikov for pieces? The Panthers are barely icing an NHL roster at this point. I doubt it would be prudent for them to trade one of their best young players for even more mediocre assets.

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Won't even listen to trade offers for Kuli. He's part of a young d-core and part of the reason why we didn't select Seth Jones. Wouldn't make sense to trade him at this point unless the offer heavily favored the return for us. No team is that desperate, though.

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Your offer is more fair, but Florida isn't taking that contract, especially when our first 2 line centers are set (Barkov, Bjugstad)
I'd have to imagine O'Reilly has more value at this stage in their careers, Kulikov may very well take the next step next year but thus far O'Reilly has demonstrated almost 1.5 years of sustained 55-60 point player with elite defense. Kulikov has neither demonstrated superior offense or defense from the backend but rather that he has the potential to do both well.

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Kulikov+Gubranson for Coburn+Meszaros+Talbot/Read+ maybe pick

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Kulikov+Gubranson for Coburn+Meszaros+Talbot/Read+ maybe pick
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The Panthers would most likely wait until after this season is done to consider moving Kulikov. If he has a really good yr, it will drive his value up and most likely make him a player they keep. And depending on how the team does this season, it would depend on who is available with their pick in the draft. I think if he struggles at all this season, he'll still have plenty of value and the team could trade him at the draft for a solid package. Regardless, they dont trade him now until they see how he plays and Tallon wont make any quick decisions on him.

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