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08-11-2013, 02:59 PM
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Mike Green

Mike Green has two years left on his deal with a cap hit of 6.1 million. Keeping in mind he has two years left, what 2 year - $/year - salary would cause him to have no value? Not negative value (as in no one would claim him on waivers). Just break even value (ie he would be worth only a 7th rounder)

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top 4 dman and a 2nd round pick. hes an elite ofd

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top 4 dman and a 2nd round pick. hes an elite ofd
You could have at least read it.

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You could have at least read it.
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He has significant value, 2 years is very manageable a team like florida or islanders, even if he was getting paid 8m, imo.

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It doesn't really work that way. Either a team can afford him or they can't, and if they can then they'll give up something decent for him and if they can't they can't offer anything.

There's no specific point where a team says "He's only worth a 7th rounder as opposed to a 6th rounder if he were 100k cheaper"

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A 3rd pairing #6 dman in Komisarek at 4.5m for 1 year had 0 or negative value. Nows hes signed for 700k.

The mike green equivalent of that would be...
A 1st or 2nd pairing #3 dman in Green at ___M for 2 years has 0 or negative value.

fill in the blanks how much money would he need to be getting paid in order for no1 in the league to want him. My guess is ovechkin money.

Is this what your asking?

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It doesn't really work that way. Either a team can afford him or they can't, and if they can then they'll give up something decent for him and if they can't they can't offer anything.

There's no specific point where a team says "He's only worth a 7th rounder as opposed to a 6th rounder if he were 100k cheaper"
Yeah there is. It's UFA value assuming he goes to the highest bidder.

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Yeah there is. It's UFA value assuming he goes to the highest bidder.
Are you telling me that most recently signed UFAs have zero value?

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Yeah there is. It's UFA value assuming he goes to the highest bidder.
I agree but if that were true, no one who signed a UFA contract would have any trade value unless they increased their level of play (which very few UFA's do). But many of them do get traded...its hard to say they have no value

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Are you telling me that most recently signed UFAs have zero value?
In a vacuum, where every UFA simply goes to the highest bidder and all teams are the same, yes.

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This topic is so so dumb.

Mike Green at ANY realistic dollar amount for two more years would have a good deal of value.

Komisarek had little value because he's not a good hockey player and he was getting paid a lot of money. Mike Green is at least a good player.

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If he could stay healthy and was paid a little less, his value would be through the roof. Doesn't help that his deal is done soon.

However, there's no denying his offensive skills.

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Komisarek had little value because he's not a good hockey player and he was getting paid a lot of money. Mike Green is at least a good player.
thats arguable.

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thats arguable.
Not really. Green is a good player. Maybe he is not as good at his best when he was a PPG scorer but he can still score, was finally healthier, plays top minutes on a playoff team.

Gonchar at this point is still good, but so much older then Green, and very slow now. Gonchar got $5 million per year for 2 years. How could Green not have a lot of value on his 2 year deal?

I don't think it is salary that would give Green negative value... It is term. Signed for 7 or 8 years at $7 million a year, he would be hard to trade for value, unless he has a year similar to his best years.

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Mike Green has two years left on his deal with a cap hit of 6.1 million. Keeping in mind he has two years left, what 2 year - $/year - salary would cause him to have no value? Not negative value (as in no one would claim him on waivers). Just break even value (ie he would be worth only a 7th rounder)
He would probably have to break a leg, return then break the other leg to have such a low value. And even then someone would likely still take a chance on a guy that can produce like he does. As far as salary goes, I think it has been said that really any number that fits under the cap is stomach-able for lower salary teams.

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If you are still a good player, being overpaid hurts your value, but doesn't kill it.

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Something similar to Campbell's value when the Cats traded for him perhaps?

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Something similar to Campbell's value when the Cats traded for him perhaps?
mike green is worth more than an injury prone AHL buyout...

campbell redeemed himself and showed he can still be really good... however whole florida falled apart this year.

mike green will fetch more than a buy out imo

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He has significant value, 2 years is very manageable a team like florida or islanders, even if he was getting paid 8m, imo.
Isles refused to go past $4.75m for Streit, with Newsday saying the isles have a payroll structure and Snow won't bust it.

I think you can take the isles out of the mix, for a $6m - $8m per d-man.

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Green is worth more than that, or I mis-read your post (read it 3 times).... I can see a team in need, easily give a 1st for his sevices

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Isles refused to go past $4.75m for Streit, with Newsday saying the isles have a payroll structure and Snow won't bust it.

I think you can take the isles out of the mix, for a $6m - $8m per d-man.
yeah, I think they want to keep enough caproom to resign Tavares

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thats arguable.
No it's not.

Green may be injury prone, but he's still a very good d-man.

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