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Lightning was trading Lecavalier to Leafs, then Leafs buy him out.

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06-26-2013, 10:52 AM
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As far as Leafs dealing for Vinny goes...say they deal for him, buy him out, a third team signs him and trades him for a 7th. Is that ok?
Ah, yes. That third team would be crazy to just keep Vinny on a sweetheart deal when they could have the coveted 7th rounder.

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06-26-2013, 10:52 AM
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Amnesty buyouts are cap circumvention to begin with.

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Wonder what the pick would have been...

A 2nd doesn't seem like enough considering the huge amount of money on that contract..

The 3rd overall obviously seems like a huge overpayment.
I'd guess a conditional 1st, with Tampa holding the right on which of the coming years (2014/2015) they'd want to give it up.

30 million is a lot of money, even for a rich team like Toronto.

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06-26-2013, 10:54 AM
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How is this a good job? That wouldve been awesome for every team involved player included. Its a win win win.
This is helping Tampa out of a bad contract. They should deal with consequences.

Plus this would become common if allowed IMO. Basically richer teams would start buying draft picks, which IMO is bad for the NHL.

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06-26-2013, 10:57 AM
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As far as Leafs dealing for Vinny goes...say they deal for him, buy him out, a third team signs him and trades him for a 7th. Is that ok?
No that would not be allowed in the NHL, Once a team would sign LeCavalier they have to hang on to him for at least 1 calender year You cannot automaticaly go back and trade a player that you just aquired that is not permited.

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Interesting however.

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06-26-2013, 10:59 AM
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So that loophole they fixed but did nothing against the Justin Schultz clause? Talk about not having priorities in order.

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Bill Meltzer discussed this scenario a few weeks ago.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...5#.UcsP4Jx7xCg

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Can the Flyers and another team looking to buy out a player swap Briere for that player and then both teams use buyouts on the acquired player, with each re-signing with his "former" team as a free agent at a lower cap figure?

It won't happen, so forget about it. There is nothing explicitly prohibiting this, but NHL clubs have already been warned by the League not to even think about circumventing the rules or the case will be investigated by the league (and almost definitely result in punitive sanctions). A "trade" of this nature would blatantly violate the intent both of the buyout rules and the salary cap. It would be indefensible as anything but an end-around on the rules.

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06-26-2013, 11:01 AM
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Bettman trying to keep the Leafs down....

So just have Tampa buy him out and then ship them Grabovski as compensation...

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Using "it is believed", "some say" etc are journalist tricks to disguise their wild speculation as something with more substance.

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WTF, how is that "circumvention"?

Each team gets 2 buy-outs and those are assets, like draft picks. If TOR doesn't want to use them on their current roster, why not aquire a pick in exchange for a buy-out? Seems like a perfectly fine deal to me.

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I call BS on this story. This guy must read HockeyBuzz and base his writings off what he reads there. I dont think the Lightning have planned on moving or buying out VL this summer. I think they want to keep him for at least another season.

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06-26-2013, 11:03 AM
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Interesting however.
Can't really write much in the title, lol sorry.

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06-26-2013, 11:05 AM
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This is helping Tampa out of a bad contract. They should deal with consequences.

Plus this would become common if allowed IMO. Basically richer teams would start buying draft picks, which IMO is bad for the NHL.
But you are failing to understand that in this scenario their are no losers. Its win for everybody.

Richer teams would actually be among the teams that would trade their rich players along with an asset for cap relief.

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I call BS on this story. This guy must read HockeyBuzz and base his writings off what he reads there. I dont think the Lightning have planned on moving or buying out VL this summer. I think they want to keep him for at least another season.
Exactly Malone, Brewer and Ohlund will go before Vinny does.

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I wish they would have left this open.

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06-26-2013, 11:11 AM
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Would be hilarious if they took the draft pick and kept him to play with Kessel in order to make a run at the cup the next year

In all seriousness I sometimes get the impressions these "rumors" actually originated on hfboards to begin with.

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06-26-2013, 11:12 AM
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To hell with bettman if he stepped in. What a hack. This clown stood by as teams were circumventing the cap for years but now he has an issue.

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06-26-2013, 11:13 AM
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Ohh FFS! The NHL once again putting restrictions on the teams with money. Teams like Toronto should be allowed to use their wealth to help their team. This whole notion about all 30 teams playing on the same equal field is non sense when one team is losing 25 million a year and one is worth a billion. If the Leafs want to spend 30 million on a buy-out for an asset from TB they should be allowed to do it! It would have to be a huge asset though

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In all seriousness I sometimes get the impressions these "rumors" actually originated on hfboards to begin with.
Maybe they are The idea has actually crossed my mind that some journalists come to HF boards to check out what might generate some buzz and then write about it.

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Good job yes. but the NHL also created these messes with the wording in the new CBA. Basically forcing some teams to buyout players that they don't really want to buyout.
Blame the owners for telling the GMs to spend to the cap when it was up to $70m and then dropping it down to $64.3m and forcing them to either buyout players or to trade players.

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No that would not be allowed in the NHL, Once a team would sign LeCavalier they have to hang on to him for at least 1 calender year You cannot automaticaly go back and trade a player that you just aquired that is not permited.
I think you are getting things a bit mixed up. I think you are referring to matching an offersheet.

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A 33rd overall pick in exchange for $30 million and doing a favor for a team in their new division?


I think it would have been a lot more than that.
I 100% agree.. you are helping out a division rival A LOT in a cap world by buying out this contract.

IF it was a pick this year, it would have to be the 3rd overall without question.

That all said, sounds like mute point now.....

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I 100% agree.. you are helping out a division rival A LOT in a cap world by buying out this contract.

IF it was a pick, it would have to be the 3rd overall without question.

That all said, sounds like mute point now.....
I agree, the 3rd overall would have to be the asset, you don't spend 30 million for a 2nd rounder.

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I agree, the 3rd overall would have to be the asset, you don't spend 30 million for a 2nd rounder.
I just can't see Tampa Bay making that poorly of a decision. They have strong ownership. #3 in this draft is just too much to give up. Next year's 1st seems more plausible if any of this is even remotely true.

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