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Lightning was trading Lecavalier to Leafs, then Leafs buy him out.

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06-26-2013, 12:18 PM
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Why are the large market teams punished for being loaded? I can't stand this little gremlin bettman. If mtl, tor, NY, philly can afford to make moves like this then it should be allowed. In the end, it also helps the small market team by getting rid of a large contract. Where is the issue! Nothing shady if they want to re-sign the player too.

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06-26-2013, 12:19 PM
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They should penalize the Lightning for that.
Why exactly? It didn't happen and it takes two to tango.

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06-26-2013, 12:19 PM
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Ohh FFS! The NHL once again putting restrictions on the teams with money. Teams like Toronto should be allowed to use their wealth to help their team. This whole notion about all 30 teams playing on the same equal field is non sense when one team is losing 25 million a year and one is worth a billion. If the Leafs want to spend 30 million on a buy-out for an asset from TB they should be allowed to do it! It would have to be a huge asset though
Gremlin doesn't care. He'll continue to cater to small market teams until he's blue in the face.

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06-26-2013, 12:20 PM
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Why are the large market teams punished for being loaded? I can't stand this little gremlin bettman. If mtl, tor, NY, philly can afford to make moves like this then it should be allowed. In the end, it also helps the small market team by getting rid of a large contract. Where is the issue! Nothing shady if they want to re-sign the player too.
I don't get it either, it's total B.S IMO.

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06-26-2013, 12:22 PM
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Should note; this one is dead in the water.

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NHL has notified GMs that league will not allow player to be traded, amnestied and then re-signed by original club, Post has learned.

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06-26-2013, 12:24 PM
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Wonder what the pick would have been...

A 2nd doesn't seem like enough considering the huge amount of money on that contract..

The 3rd overall obviously seems like a huge overpayment.
3rd overall vs 30 million? You call that over payment? I'd want the pick and an asset.

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06-26-2013, 12:29 PM
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3rd overall vs 30 million? You call that over payment? I'd want the pick and an asset.
LOL same here, unless we're talking a roster player, but if this happened I would have to guess it would have to be the 3rd overall. We're talking about 30 freakin million dollars here! That is one huge favour, so the asset payment would have to be well worth it.

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06-26-2013, 12:31 PM
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If him reinking with Tampa after being bought out by the Leafs is ruled out it'll be interesting to see if Tampa decides to just move on from Vinny completely.

If they do I still think a deal with Toronto can take place.

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06-26-2013, 12:31 PM
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The "NY Yankees" model is dead in Hockey. Big market teams can no longer throw their financial weight around and beat up the little guys. A level playing field is just that and hockey is better for it.


I'm glad the NHL closed the loophole. Clear cap circumvention....

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LOL same here, unless we're talking a roster player, but if this happened I would have to guess it would have to be the 3rd overall. We're talking about 30 freakin million dollars here! That is one huge favour, so the asset payment would have to be well worth it.
That's what I mean, anything less than 3rd overall and a really nice asset and Nonis is an idiot.

lmfao @ a 2nd round pick vs 30 million, some people are insane.




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The "NY Yankees" model is dead in Hockey. Big market teams can no longer throw their financial weight around and beat up the little guys. A level playing field is just that and hockey is better for it.


I'm glad the NHL closed the loophole. Clear cap circumvention....
Oh no, please don't let a couple teams find a way to help each other out and make a player happy, this is the NHL after all, we want a team like Tampa to suffer with that contract, no way do we need them with any kind of cap room to ice a better hockey team, that wouldn't be good for the game at all.

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06-26-2013, 12:34 PM
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LOL same here, unless we're talking a roster player, but if this happened I would have to guess it would have to be the 3rd overall. We're talking about 30 freakin million dollars here! That is one huge favour, so the asset payment would have to be well worth it.
It might not be 30 million though because Toronto could be sending Tampa some bad contracts like Komisarek, Grabo, Liles to lessen that dollar figure.

Tampa also has some great prospect depth with guys like Connolly, Gudas, Panik, Johnson, Koekkoek, Vasilesky, Kucherov all ranked as 7.5C or higher prospects so we could be getting a bunch of prospects instead of just that 3rd pick.

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06-26-2013, 12:36 PM
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A player should be able to be traded for a buyout. The problem here is that player then signing back to the same team. I don't think the NHL has a problem with the first bit.

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06-26-2013, 12:38 PM
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That 33rd overall would be enough IMO, that might as well be another 1st round pick for the Leafs with the depth of this years draft
Are u ****in kidding me 30 mill for a 2nd rounder

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WTF, how is that "circumvention"?

Each team gets 2 buy-outs and those are assets, like draft picks. If TOR doesn't want to use them on their current roster, why not aquire a pick in exchange for a buy-out? Seems like a perfectly fine deal to me.
This! Exactly how compliance buyouts should be seen... as assets! Kudos on Toronto for not having to use them on bad contracts.

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06-26-2013, 12:43 PM
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The "NY Yankees" model is dead in Hockey. Big market teams can no longer throw their financial weight around and beat up the little guys. A level playing field is just that and hockey is better for it.


I'm glad the NHL closed the loophole. Clear cap circumvention....
Except in this case, small market teams benefit.

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06-26-2013, 12:51 PM
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The "NY Yankees" model is dead in Hockey. Big market teams can no longer throw their financial weight around and beat up the little guys. A level playing field is just that and hockey is better for it.


I'm glad the NHL closed the loophole. Clear cap circumvention....
Thing is, it's not a NY Yankees model, baseball doesn't have a cap, not only do the Leafs have to deal with a cap they now can't use their financial might at all to help them other than in free agency but again the cap comes into play. The Leafs and other clubs have no advantage whatsoever anymore and it's a shame really because their hands are tied in a lot of ways. This was also going to help TB out in a big way so let's not pretend that the Leafs were the only benefactor here. This would have been a shrewd move that helped both teams but of course Bettman and his cronies had to shut it down. "Circumvention" yeah right!

The Leafs have two buy-outs to use so this would've been one of them..the NHL is making rules on top of their own rules. They're the ones who gave out the two amnesty buy-outs if that isn't cap circumvention then I don't know what is.

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Bell and Rogers. Willing to send you to collections for $17. Even more willing to spend millions to buy out other teams players.
haha so true

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Except in this case, small market teams benefit.
Tampa isn't benefitting either, they're stuck with Lecavalier at a pretty rough price.

Good for Toronto for trying to get better for just cash without screwing someone else over with an offer sheet. Good idea, but this would have been a slippery slope for the league to let go.

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Except in this case, small market teams benefit.
One offs aren't good for the entire league. So it would allow Tampa to escape a horrible contract....how's that fair to any other team who has bad contracts? Should they all start shopping bad deals with a 1st round pic/prospect chaser to try and get a rich team to bite?

The NHL is right on this one...

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How would the NHL know Vinny would re-sign in Tampa?

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Thing is, it's not a NY Yankees model, baseball doesn't have a cap, not only do the Leafs have to deal with a cap they now can't use their financial might at all to help them other than in free agency but again the cap comes into play. The Leafs and other clubs have no advantage whatsoever anymore and it's a shame really because their hands are tied in a lot of ways. This was also going to help TB out in a big way so let's not pretend that the Leafs were the only benefactor here. This would have been a shrewd move that helped both teams but of course Bettman and his cronies had to shut it down. "Circumvention" yeah right!

The Leafs have two buy-outs to use so this would've been one of them..the NHL is making rules on top of their own rules. They're the ones who gave out the two amnesty buy-outs if that isn't cap circumvention then I don't know what is.
Look up circumvention, then you would probably understand why an amnesty clause isn't circumvention. It's an authorized short term tool created by the NHL.

The Yankees model is throw $$ at the problem...that's exactly what this is, using financial might to provide an uneven advantage over your peers.

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It's just like the Weight/Tkachuk rule. Vinny should be able to be traded and then bought out, but he shouldn't be allowed to sign with the original team.

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How would the NHL know Vinny would re-sign in Tampa?
You're talking about multi-million $ businesses. A smart GM would run that by the league for fear of the circumvention penalties. I'm guessing that's how.

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Tampa isn't benefitting either, they're stuck with Lecavalier at a pretty rough price.

Good for Toronto for trying to get better for just cash without screwing someone else over with an offer sheet. Good idea, but this would have been a slippery slope for the league to let go.
I think he's saying they would have benefitted has this been allowed.

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