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Lightning was trading Lecavalier to Leafs, then Leafs buy him out.

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06-26-2013, 12:02 PM
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One offs aren't good for the entire league. So it would allow Tampa to escape a horrible contract....how's that fair to any other team who has bad contracts? Should they all start shopping bad deals with a 1st round pic/prospect chaser to try and get a rich team to bite?

The NHL is right on this one...
I don't see an issue with that at all. If a team wants to pay their way out of a contract with a pick whats the problem? If a bunch of teams want to do that they should be able to, but again we agree to disagree on this topic. It's getting redundant.

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06-26-2013, 12:03 PM
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Good.

I'd rather not do Tampa any favours because as far as I'm concerned that puke-worthy contract will restrict them from building a solid team with good depth, the types of teams you need to go deep in the playoffs.

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Oh no, please don't let a couple teams find a way to help each other out and make a player happy, this is the NHL after all, we want a team like Tampa to suffer with that contract, no way do we need them with any kind of cap room to ice a better hockey team, that wouldn't be good for the game at all.
So what you're advocating is saving Tampa from themselves. Got it. Nobody forced them to sign the player to that deal. They did, now they'll deal with the repercussions.

In this instance, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of one team.

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I am not sure with step 3 of this scenario......this is a way around it

step 1: Lecav + 2nd to Toronto for a 7th
step 2: Lecav is amnesty buyout
step 3: team X signs LeCav
step 4: team X then trades LeCav to TB for a 3rd.


In step 3 how long must a team hold onto a UFA before he can get traded?

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Good for the NHL to close this loophole before it was exploited.

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I am not sure with step 3 of this scenario......this is a way around it

step 1: Lecav + 2nd to Toronto for a 7th
step 2: Lecav is amnesty buyout
step 3: team X signs LeCav
step 4: team X then trades LeCav to TB for a 3rd.


In step 3 how long must a team hold onto a UFA before he can get traded?
Just like the NBA did with Garnett, they'll just block any trade of Vinny to Tampa for about a year.

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06-26-2013, 12:05 PM
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I don't see an issue with that at all. If a team wants to pay their way out of a contract with a pick whats the problem? If a bunch of teams want to do that they should be able to, but again we agree to disagree on this topic. It's getting redundant.
So your issue is really with the salary cap. You would rather big market teams be able to spend whatever they want, level playing field with their peer franchises in the NHL be damned....

Got it...

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06-26-2013, 12:06 PM
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So what you're advocating is saving Tampa from themselves. Got it. Nobody forced them to sign the player to that deal. They did, now they'll deal with the repercussions.

In this instance, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of one team.

this is why the amnesty buyouts were granted.....

Many teams did long term contracts before there was a hard salary cap like there is now.

the other option over buyouts was that teams would get 1-2 salary cap exemptions where that players contract does not count against the salary cap. This option allows teams to keep their 1-2 star players long term because they know these players are turnstile drivers.

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06-26-2013, 12:08 PM
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this is why the amnesty buyouts were granted.....

Many teams did long term contracts before there was a hard salary cap like there is now.

the other option over buyouts was that teams would get 1-2 salary cap exemptions where that players contract does not count against the salary cap. This option allows teams to keep their 1-2 star players long term because they know these players are turnstile drivers.
Then let TAMPA amnesty the player TAMPA signed. No free passes for irresponsible contract signings in my book.....

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06-26-2013, 12:14 PM
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How dare a cap smart, financially successful team benefit from not abusing the former CBA.


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So your issue is really with the salary cap. You would rather big market teams be able to spend whatever they want, level playing field with their peer franchises in the NHL be damned....

Got it...
You make it sound like a bad thing?

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06-26-2013, 12:17 PM
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That 33rd overall would be enough IMO, that might as well be another 1st round pick for the Leafs with the depth of this years draft
33rd overall for $30 million seems right to you?!? Give your head a shake.

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So your issue is really with the salary cap. You would rather big market teams be able to spend whatever they want, level playing field with their peer franchises in the NHL be damned....

Got it...
You got it! I couldn't care less about a level playing field. I'm a Leaf fan!!! I cheer for the richest team of course I want the Leafs to take advantage of any loophole we can find...How dare I lol

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Jersey loses a first a third and three million. Tampa gets away with murder

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06-26-2013, 12:22 PM
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So what you're advocating is saving Tampa from themselves. Got it. Nobody forced them to sign the player to that deal. They did, now they'll deal with the repercussions.

In this instance, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of one team.
Other teams could do the same if they have an awful contract, mistakes happen in life.

The NHL make loads of mistakes all the time and then have a lock out and demand the players fix their problems, they should let players resign with a team that buys them out, they should allow teams that can't afford a massive buy out to trade assets for help like this rumor.

I feel these rules are preventing teams from being healthy and that is after all what we want right? especially the southern teams to help the sport grow?

I guess maybe you want the NHL to suffer? You want less teams? Why are you blindly advocating these rules/parameters be met? Give it a little more thought.

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06-26-2013, 12:23 PM
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I am not sure with step 3 of this scenario......this is a way around it

step 1: Lecav + 2nd to Toronto for a 7th
step 2: Lecav is amnesty buyout
step 3: team X signs LeCav
step 4: team X then trades LeCav to TB for a 3rd.


In step 3 how long must a team hold onto a UFA before he can get traded?
Toronto can not Amnesty LeCavalier since LeCavalier was not there property prior to the signing of the CBA Toronto would have to do a normal buy out and that would be on there records for the next 14 years at $30m or around $2.2m for the next 14 years Toronto would be stupid to do that.

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Then let TAMPA amnesty the player TAMPA signed. No free passes for irresponsible contract signings in my book.....
That's what it was designed for.

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Ya theres no way Tampa would only send us a 2nd for 33 million dollars. The 1st is a bit rich too do im not sure what the return would of been.

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Im actually FLOORED that some of you think that the Leafs would do all this for a 2nd round pick...."basically a first" my ass. If you're helping a division rival & shelling out $30 mil for a guy who won't even lace them up for you, you better believe that the 3rd overall is the MINIMUM that's coming back.

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Ya theres no way Tampa would only send us a 2nd for 33 million dollars. The 1st is a bit rich too do im not sure what the return would of been.
a 2nd and a top prospect?

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33rd overall for $30 million seems right to you?!? Give your head a shake.
Yeah this is what I was thinking. I mean it had to be 3rd overall right? Even for 3rd overall paying $30 million for a draft pick would be a tough pill to swallow. What if the guy you pick busts out or has a career altering concussion in his first game?

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Im actually FLOORED that some of you think that the Leafs would do all this for a 2nd round pick...."basically a first" my ass. If you're helping a division rival & shelling out $30 mil for a guy who won't even lace them up for you, you better believe that the 3rd overall is the MINIMUM that's coming back.
i could see a guy like Brett Connolly going to the leafs if it would have been allowed.

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Im actually FLOORED that some of you think that the Leafs would do all this for a 2nd round pick...."basically a first" my ass. If you're helping a division rival & shelling out $30 mil for a guy who won't even lace them up for you, you better believe that the 3rd overall is the MINIMUM that's coming back.
Agreed, I don't think people are really putting the 30 million into perspective lol. A 2nd round pick is peanuts! it would have to be that plus a top tier prospect or flip the 3rd overall. If this was going to happen the Leafs don't help out a division rival next season without getting a huge pay for it.

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Tough situation for TB. No way they should pay Vinny that much, but he's their captain and they are stuck with him. The right move is probably to buy him out, but you can't predict how the fans would react. Not like the Bolts are killing it right now anyways

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