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Brock Nelson or Frans Nielsen to Dallas

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06-26-2013, 12:28 PM
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Brock Nelson or Frans Nielsen to Dallas

I'm sure Nelson has more value, but as Stars fan, I'd like to know what the NYI would be looking for in return for either one.

We have Ritchie who has played well with Strome.

We have Daley, Larsen and Goose at varying levels of performance, as well as Joe Morrow (who I would trade if the return is worth it).

We have 10, 29, 40 and 54 in this draft as well as Jack Campbell (who I don't think we would deal, but Jim Nill is the new GM so he's not necessarily tied to Jack).

If none of the major targets fall to 10, I would consider a Ritchie+10 for Nelson+15 with filler either way.

I would rather trade Daley+Ritchie for Nelson+something else, due to our glut of Defensemen.

Finally a Daley for Nielsen package might work for me as well.

I don't know the Isle that well so feel free to correct me if the value is off on any of these.

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06-26-2013, 12:36 PM
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I highly doubt Nelson is available as he's on the verge of making the NHL squad and is in the 2nd year of his ELC. Budget teams like the Isles certainly love getting cheap production like that.

Nielsen is probably not going to be moved anytime soon as Strome and Nelson are still unproven and can't be relied on to replace the minutes and responsibilities that Frans has. If the kids develop and make him available, that's another story and that probably won't happen until next year at the earliest.

For argument's sake, if Nielsen is traded then the Isles would probably want a top winger for Tavares (preferably a RW who is a RH shot) or a top-4 d-man. Nielsen alone won't bring that, but a package with him as the centerpiece and possibly a 1st round pick... there could be interest.

BTW, if you really like Nielsen - that kid Wennberg in the draft seems like a better version of him. He's been rising and is slotted somewhere near Dallas' 10th overall pick. Of course, he won't be ready for a couple of years probably.

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06-26-2013, 12:40 PM
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Yeah, we picked Wennberg in our HF Mock that's been going around.

I like him a lot, and we could certainly target him on Sunday.

We really need two Centers if we switch Benn back to wing but one is a must, and the FA class this year isn't all that great, so I'm looking around elsewhere.

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Those are two very different players.

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Those are two very different players.
Agreed, but rather than start two threads, I started one, because the Stars could really use either one. I noted the different value in the first sentence.

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Not trading either one right now, end of story.

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Not trading either one right now, end of story.
Alrighty then, boys, let's lock this one up.

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I know most Islander fans disagree with me (and that is fine) but I would move Nielsen. Too small, lousy on the faceoffs, to be an ideal third line guy. Not enough of a goalscorer to be a second line guy.

I don't think Snow would move him though.

Nelson, I would guess is close to untouchable under reasonable circumstances.

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Not trading either one right now, end of story.
This is not a proposal, simply a "value of". If NYI were to trade Nelson or Nielsen to Dallas, what would the ideal return be?

Nielsen: Ritchie and a 4th?

Hard to gauge the value of Nelson because he has more value to the Islanders than anyone else.

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Yeah, we picked Wennberg in our HF Mock that's been going around.

I like him a lot, and we could certainly target him on Sunday.

We really need two Centers if we switch Benn back to wing but one is a must, and the FA class this year isn't all that great, so I'm looking around elsewhere.
Nope, sorry not at this time as its currently a need for us and Nielsen is also a longtime leader as well.

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I know most Islander fans disagree with me (and that is fine) but I would move Nielsen. Too small, lousy on the faceoffs, to be an ideal third line guy. Not enough of a goalscorer to be a second line guy.

I don't think Snow would move him though.

Nelson, I would guess is close to untouchable under reasonable circumstances.


I would move him next season if Nelson and Strome both have good years.

I agree with you, hes weak in a lot of key areas for a Center. Hes an above average passer, has good speed, and is very responsible defensively.

The Isles should really look at moving him to wing.

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I would move him next season if Nelson and Strome both have good years.

I agree with you, hes weak in a lot of key areas for a Center. Hes an above average passer, has good speed, and is very responsible defensively.

The Isles should really look at moving him to wing.
Yup. Would be an ideal third line wing with a big physical center (like Nelson!).

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For now no trade... but how about we revisit something around Nielsen and Ritchie later in the year or next offseason. All depends on how Nelson, Cizikas, Strome or possible free-agent signing (doubtful on that one) shake-out this year. If by miracle, two of those four can lock-down second and third line center position then the Isles would be more amenable to trading Nielsen. Personally, because of his versatility and cheap contract, I would prefer to just shift Nielsen over to a wing position.

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I would move him next season if Nelson and Strome both have good years.

I agree with you, hes weak in a lot of key areas for a Center. Hes an above average passer, has good speed, and is very responsible defensively.

The Isles should really look at moving him to wing.
Agreed. He's also the best defensive forward we have and our best pk'er. I like him on the point on the PP also.

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I would move him next season if Nelson and Strome both have good years.

I agree with you, hes weak in a lot of key areas for a Center. Hes an above average passer, has good speed, and is very responsible defensively.

The Isles should really look at moving him to wing.
hey great minds...

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Nope, sorry not at this time as its currently a need for us and Nielsen is also a longtime leader as well.
Yeah, when you have Center depth, I understand not wanting to deal it.

We had it for a long time and now that we're short, it sucks. We've got all the other components of a good team, but need help down the middle.

I really like Nelson and think he'll be a good one...maybe not a really high scorer but a playoff guy that helps win tough games.

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Yeah, when you have Center depth, I understand not wanting to deal it.

We had it for a long time and now that we're short, it sucks. We've got all the other components of a good team, but need help down the middle.

I really like Nelson and think he'll be a good one...maybe not a really high scorer but a playoff guy that helps win tough games.
Me too, that's why I definitely don't want to trade him lol.

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Yeah, when you have Center depth, I understand not wanting to deal it.

We had it for a long time and now that we're short, it sucks. We've got all the other components of a good team, but need help down the middle.

I really like Nelson and think he'll be a good one...maybe not a really high scorer but a playoff guy that helps win tough games.
I'm not sure the Isles do have center depth. We have Tavares and Czkikas as centers. Nielsen is lousy on the faceoffs though, and might make a better wing. Many of us think Strome could break in on the wing too. So, Nelson is a very important prospect for us.

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Yeah, when you have Center depth, I understand not wanting to deal it.

We had it for a long time and now that we're short, it sucks. We've got all the other components of a good team, but need help down the middle.

I really like Nelson and think he'll be a good one...maybe not a really high scorer but a playoff guy that helps win tough games.
Completely feel you bro. Centers and top-4 d-men are hard to come by. Would really love to help you, but the Isles are probably not the right team to approach. Despite making the playoffs, the Isles are still in rebuilding mode and need to integrate quite a few kids into the NHL lineup. They could definitely regress next season, but then it could lead to a big jump in the season after if all goes according to plan.

This upcoming season is where a lot of questions could be answered and the numbers game takes effect for the Isles. It very well could be that Nielsen does become available when that happens, but I agree with my fellow Isles fans... I'd probably rather keep him and move him to the wing (where he has played in the past for them). He's a very popular player and he's been a great soldier for the Isles.

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For now no trade... but how about we revisit something around Nielsen and Ritchie later in the year or next offseason. All depends on how Nelson, Cizikas, Strome or possible free-agent signing (doubtful on that one) shake-out this year. If by miracle, two of those four can lock-down second and third line center position then the Isles would be more amenable to trading Nielsen. Personally, because of his versatility and cheap contract, I would prefer to just shift Nielsen over to a wing position.
Well now that you guys are saying Nielsen's probably more of a winger, then I'd hesitate on getting him, haha.

I still like him, but not for Ritchie.

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And props for being professional posters without all the yelling.

This is what it looks like when done right....who knew?

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And props for being professional posters without all the yelling.

This is what it looks like when done right....who knew?
If you wanted us to yell at you, you should have said something. That can be arranged.

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If you wanted us to yell at you, you should have said something. That can be arranged.
Yep, this is more like it.


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Yep, this is more like it.


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And props for being professional posters without all the yelling.

This is what it looks like when done right....who knew?
You should have offered to buyout Dipietro in exchange for Brock Nelson. That would have gotten it going!

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