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06-28-2013, 09:58 AM
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Brad Boyes

Yotes fan in peace. Reading from previous threads, it seems there is a negative consensus among Isles HFers regarding Brad Boyes even if he put up good offensive numbers this season. I'm aware he's not very good defensively and has an inconsistent effort level. That being said, I'd love any and all information about his play in the offensive zone, the more descriptive the better. Thanks!

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06-28-2013, 10:01 AM
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Barely worth the $1 million we paid for him. Not good enough to be in any NHL team's top 6, too terribly defensively to be in any NHL team's bottom 6. The Yotes and any other team can do a lot better.

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Barely worth the $1 million we paid for him. Not good enough to be in any NHL team's top 6, too terribly defensively to be in any NHL team's bottom 6. The Yotes and any other team can do a lot better.
This.

I'll also add that he has terrible hockey sense. The guy is a turnover machine, and single-handedly kills the PP. He needs a limited role and limited TOI to be remotely effective.

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I was surprised how accurately he passed and how inaccurately he shot the puck. His deking ability is really top notch, too.

But he was totally useless in puck retrieval in any zone. He lost 80% of battles. So, yeah...

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Brad Boyes is a complementary winger. He's terrible at zone entry and board battles. For a team that wants to be a puck possession team, he does not fit at all. He's an opportunistic sniper that can no longer snipe consistently. The most glaring weakness for me was his complete lack of hockey sense. He would pass when he has a golden shot opportunity and shoot it when he should pass. That is a killer for someone like Tavares. Defensive play was also **** poor. It maybe wouldn't have been so bad if Moulson wasn't the other winger. If Boyes is on a line with 2 other players that can drive the play, he can do well.

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Brad Boyes is a complementary winger. He's terrible at zone entry and board battles. For a team that wants to be a puck possession team, he does not fit at all. He's an opportunistic sniper that can no longer snipe consistently. The most glaring weakness for me was his complete lack of hockey sense. He would pass when he has a golden shot opportunity and shoot it when he should pass. That is a killer for someone like Tavares. Defensive play was also **** poor. It maybe wouldn't have been so bad if Moulson wasn't the other winger. If Boyes is on a line with 2 other players that can drive the play, he can do well.
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Whipping boy of this past season and deservedly so.

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This.

I'll also add that he has terrible hockey sense. The guy is a turnover machine, and single-handedly kills the PP. He needs a limited role and limited TOI to be remotely effective.
Boyes did put up 12 PPA this season - is he just a similar case to Letang, where the stats grossly overstate the actual ability (at least on the PP)?

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it essentially works out like this:

Brad Boyes is a less accurate Matt Moulson in terms of style of play. Moulson scores more. Poor playmakers, awful defensively, need someone to get them the puck.

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Boyes did put up 12 PPA this season - is he just a similar case to Letang, where the stats grossly overstate the actual ability (at least on the PP)?
Letang's a bad example because he is still a very very talented player.

Better one would be Andy Hilbert. Put up 18 points in 19 games when he was traded to the Penguins and put on a line with Crosby.

Certain centers are so good, you can pretty much take any scrub who knows the basics of hockey, put them on their wing, and they'll throw up stats that, to the naked eye, might seem impressive. Tavares makes scrub wingers look legitimate. We can only imagine what happens if guys like Strome & Nino reach their potential and find chemistry on Tavares' line, or if the Islanders can make a trade for a legit superstar winger.

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Letang's a bad example because he is still a very very talented player.

Better one would be Andy Hilbert. Put up 18 points in 19 games when he was traded to the Penguins and put on a line with Crosby.

Certain centers are so good, you can pretty much take any scrub who knows the basics of hockey, put them on their wing, and they'll throw up stats that, to the naked eye, might seem impressive. Tavares makes scrub wingers look legitimate. We can only imagine what happens if guys like Strome & Nino reach their potential and find chemistry on Tavares' line, or if the Islanders can make a trade for a legit superstar winger.
Guess I wasn't as precise as I wanted to be - I meant completely in the context of the PP. Letang is very talented physically with amazing mobility, but his hockey sense/vision + passing + point shot are actually average, arguably subpar. Watched a lot of him over the years, and he's not very good on the PP despite what the stats may indicate - that's what I meant. But I totally get the point of star centers elevating scrub wingers.

Anyways, thanks so much for the responses, guys. Appreciate it!

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His complete lack of hockey sense was significant. It was weird that he played pretty well at the beginning of the season, then completely fell off.

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I hated Boyes all year, but for whatever reason didn't have a bad taste in my mouth when the season ended. Perhaps because he stole the puck from Malkin and fed JT for the winner in Game 4. That was cool.

He still sucks, though.

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His complete lack of hockey sense was significant. It was weird that he played pretty well at the beginning of the season, then completely fell off.
Worked well with Nielsen and Bailey. The Matt Moulson effect killed him. I didn't think he was that bad in the playoffs, playing with Bailey again.

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Brad Boyes is a complementary winger. He's terrible at zone entry and board battles. For a team that wants to be a puck possession team, he does not fit at all. He's an opportunistic sniper that can no longer snipe consistently. The most glaring weakness for me was his complete lack of hockey sense. He would pass when he has a golden shot opportunity and shoot it when he should pass. That is a killer for someone like Tavares. Defensive play was also **** poor. It maybe wouldn't have been so bad if Moulson wasn't the other winger. If Boyes is on a line with 2 other players that can drive the play, he can do well.
I think the thing that annoyed me most about Boyes is he constantly would turn over the puck. Just think of how much more points Tavares would have if he didn't spend so much time in the defensive zone

In terms of signing him the only way I would think about it is if your team needs a right handed power play specialist. The guy has pretty good passing and shooting skills but needs room to operate and is probably better served playing on the 2nd or 3rd line where he isn't facing teams top defensive players

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Low effort and wasn't always mentally in the game.

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Yotes fan in peace. Reading from previous threads, it seems there is a negative consensus among Isles HFers regarding Brad Boyes even if he put up good offensive numbers this season. I'm aware he's not very good defensively and has an inconsistent effort level. That being said, I'd love any and all information about his play in the offensive zone, the more descriptive the better. Thanks!
Bad Boyes , oops! Brad Boyes is the perfect player for the new flag hockey league . Just not good.
He was our 2012-2013 whipping boy. Was the perfect floater if your team needs one. Often handled the puck like he was playing Hot Potato. If not for JT his stats would be IMO 4 goals ,11 assists , 15 points for the 48 game season with a +\- of - 24 . He would often clear the puck down the ice while on the power play with his wayyyyyy wide shots. He skates in wide circles and turns. Not much of a stop and go skater. He actually at times would use the dump and turn ( perfected the year before by Rolston).

Now the positives- Cricket sound, cricket sound, cricket sound

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I hated Boyes all year, but for whatever reason didn't have a bad taste in my mouth when the season ended. Perhaps because he stole the puck from Malkin and fed JT for the winner in Game 4. That was cool.

He still sucks, though.
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Worked well with Nielsen and Bailey. The Matt Moulson effect killed him. I didn't think he was that bad in the playoffs, playing with Bailey again.
This.

Couldn't stand MM and BB on JT's wings but when it was bailey and Boyes it was ok. Still didnt want him back but I don't hate him.

Thought he played with heart, an opinion not shared by many but just isn't a first line winger and yet was on pace for a 60 point season.

Thanks but see you later Boyes is how my exit interview would have gone. I think he regained some needed confidence and on a low budget team like Phoenix he could be a second line RW.

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Brad Boyes and Matt D'Agostini are the same person

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I thought Boyes would come around after getting familiar with his line mates but it never happened. Most glaring pass when should shoot moments occurred during the playoffs.

A bit OT but regarding Tavares...Hart finalist with Boyes and a rare off year for Moulson (who got a lot of points just dishing JT the puck) on his wings.

Can't wait to see what he does this year as I feel most fans across the league still under rate him.

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low hockey sense and not physical

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If he's on a line with two well rounded players, he's a "good enough" top 6 winger. He's brutal with turnovers, particularly on the powerplay.

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Worked well with Nielsen and Bailey.
I don't think Boyes ever played with Nielsen and Bailey. By the time Bailey came back from injury, Boyes was already pushed up to the Tavares line. The 2nd line early on was Grabner/Nielsen/Boyes, if I remember correctly.

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I'd say he's useless.

but then again no ever listens to a numbers analyst.

I'm a statistics major what do I know about hockey right?
(that's the attitude people have towards me)

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