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06-28-2013, 01:22 AM
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Goalies 5M
Hammer 5M
Bickell 3.5M
Saad 3M
Leddy 2.5M
Kruger 1.3M
Shaw 1.3M

That's a fairly conservative guess at 17 payers for about 61M. The cap will surely rise from 64M, so we'll be able to afford increases easily. If it gets tight we can just replace an Oduya or Bickell from within the pipeline for cheap or go cheap on goalies (which has won two cups in four years). I'm not really worried, Bowman has shown he can navigate the cap and deliver cups.
Crawford - $4.5 x 4 years
Hjalmarsson - $4 x 4 years
Bickell - $3 to $3.5 x 4 years
Saad - RFA 2015
Leddy - $2 x 2 years (bridge contract)
Kruger - $1.125 x 2 years (bridge contract)
Shaw - $1.25 x 2 years (bridge contract)


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This move has Dale Tallon written all over it.
The NY Islanders could use a third line center.

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Trochek and 3rd for Bolland
Trocheck and the 31st overall selection in the 2013 NHL Draft.

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Why are people saying that Chicago will have cap problems in 2014-15. They'll have $24m to sign players in 11 positions. Most of the players are near the league min. that are up that year so if qualified would make just 10% more.
Because one poster is obviously trolling in this thread.

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Chicago is fine. They have 7 million under the CAP, and only need to sign about 4 players (Kruger, Bickell, Leddy and a back-up goalie).

http://www.capgeek.com/blackhawks/

Leddy will get a nice contract around 2.5-3.5, Kruger's will be much lower. Bickell will get around 3.5-4 million if he wants to stay in Chicago. Emery probably returns for a similar amount as last year. Even without moving Bolland, the Hawks should be fine with signing who they need.
Bickell could be anywhere from $3 million to $4 million.

Leddy will not receive more than either P.K. Subban or Michael Del Zotto. Leddy's value is $2 million x 2 years on a bridge contract. Kruger's value is $1.125 million x 2 years on a bridge contract.

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What would Chicago be looking for?
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If Brouwer could fetch a 1st rounder, Bolland could certainly garner something of equal value I would think.
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I am told the 'Hawks are looking for a Pominvile-like return for Bolland
Another report out of Edmonton suggested that Chicago wants a 1st and pair of 2nds.

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Bolland is not a core player for the Hawks. He's one of my favorites, but he's no where close to being a core player for the Hawks at this point in time.
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What is the purpose of shopping him? Cap space? He's a core player.
In 2010, he was - but it's clear that the Hawks see Bickell as filling that role now.

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Vancouver
Dave Bolland
Conditional 2nd 2014 (Bolland re-signs, otherwise its a 3rd)

Chicago
Jordan Schroeder

Sedin Kesler Bolland would be a solid 1-3 center depth.

Chicago gets a young, cheap NHL ready center with top-6 upside.


*I know its super unlikely to see a Chicago/Vancouver trade.
There was always the "Luongo for Bolland" rumour last year, so there is a good chance MG will be interested in acquiring Bolland.

Depends a lot of how SB views dealing Bolland within the conference...
The Chicago Blackhawks organization will not make any trades with the Vancouver Canucks. The Chicago Blackhawks organization certainly knows thy "enemy".

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Schroeder is redundant on Chicago. They already have a better version of him in Brandon Pirri.

I say no thanks, but it has nothing to do with it being the Canucks.

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Bolland to the Panthers makes all the sense in the world to me. Panthers need a veteran leader like Bolland and we all know how much Tallon loves his former Hawks players.

Would Bolland straight up for Bergenheim make sense? If the Hawks lose Stalberg, they could replace him with Bergenheim.
Just draft picks and prospects, no salary in return whatsoever.

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Skilled wing with size and grit? Sounds like Jeremy Morin For the record I want Bick back for <4.1.
Jeremy Morin or Ben Smith will replace Viktor "playoffs no show" Stalberg.

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Crawford - $4.5 x 4 years
Hjalmarsson - $4 x 4 years
Bickell - $3 to $3.5 x 4 years
Saad - RFA 2015
Leddy - $2 x 2 years (bridge contract)
Kruger - $1.125 x 2 years (bridge contract)
Shaw - $1.25 x 2 years (bridge contract)
Leddy has over 200 games NHL experience, a 37 point season, and was on pace for 30 this year. In 2011-2012 he was 3rd among Blackhawks defensemen, playing 22:05 a night. His minutes dropped a lot this year with the acquisition of Oduya, and he was barely playing at all at times in the playoffs, but even so, I think $2m is drastically undervaluing him.

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Bolland doesn't carry that much value for the 2nd overall pick. Maybe the 31st pick and a B-prospect at best.
Exactly.

Very similar to the value of Andrew Ladd in the second quarter of 2010, however Ladd is a winger and Ladd also filed for arbitration at that time. Bolland has more value than Ladd since Bolland is under contract and Bolland is a center.

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Leddy has over 200 games NHL experience, a 37 point season, and was on pace for 30 this year. In 2011-2012 he was 3rd among Blackhawks defensemen, playing 22:05 a night. His minutes dropped a lot this year with the acquisition of Oduya, and he was barely playing at all at times in the playoffs, but even so, I think $2m is drastically undervaluing him.
He isn't worth more than P.K. Subban or Michael Del Zotto since the aforementioned average over 20 minutes of ice time per game. Nick Leddy was completely removed from the Chicago Blackhawks penalty killing unit this season. Furthermore, Nick Leddy was demoted to the third defensive pairing this season where he played for the majority of the season.

2012-13 NHL Regular Season
Nick Leddy - 17:25 average ice time per game

2012-13 NHL Playoffs
Nick Leddy - 14:21 average ice time per game

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Exactly.

Very similar to the value of Andrew Ladd in the second quarter of 2010, however Ladd is a winger and Ladd also filed for arbitration at that time. Bolland has more value than Ladd since Bolland is under contract and Bolland is a center.
Laad was under contract for one more year in 2010 and never filed for arbitration (you cant' trade a player that files.) He was a RFA, not an UFA, one year out, so contract-wise he had way more value. We'll see what Bolland's true market is.

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Laad was under contract for one more year in 2010 and never filed for arbitration (you cant' trade a player that files.) He was a RFA, not an UFA, one year out, so contract-wise he had way more value. We'll see what Bolland's true market is.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=535125

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Leddy has over 200 games NHL experience, a 37 point season, and was on pace for 30 this year. In 2011-2012 he was 3rd among Blackhawks defensemen, playing 22:05 a night. His minutes dropped a lot this year with the acquisition of Oduya, and he was barely playing at all at times in the playoffs, but even so, I think $2m is drastically undervaluing him.
Leddy deserves 4 years = 13 million. 3m,3m,3.5,3.5

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Any interest in Jordan Schroeder?
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Vancouver
Dave Bolland
Conditional 2nd 2014 (Bolland re-signs, otherwise its a 3rd)

Chicago
Jordan Schroeder

Sedin Kesler Bolland would be a solid 1-3 center depth.

Chicago gets a young, cheap NHL ready center with top-6 upside.
Nah lets not. I like what Schroeder brings, I like his upside. I feel he gets underrated by our fanbase. he isn't someone we should just be throwing into proposals.

He's a young player who can play in this league with alot of room to grow. For example he was much better last year in his first taste of NHL action than Cody Hodgson was in 10/11 when he got his first taste of NHL action.

I expect Schroeder to be the 3C next year and establish himself as a useful, full time NHLer.

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Schroeder is not better then Pirri and why would Hawks add to Bolland?

Schroeder is not some great prospect. He is short ok C prospect with ok upside but nothing tremendous
Good I wouldn't do it either, from a Canucks POV.

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Vancouver
Dave Bolland
Conditional 2nd 2014 (Bolland re-signs, otherwise its a 3rd)

Chicago
Jordan Schroeder

Sedin Kesler Bolland would be a solid 1-3 center depth.

Chicago gets a young, cheap NHL ready center with top-6 upside.


*I know its super unlikely to see a Chicago/Vancouver trade.
There was always the "Luongo for Bolland" rumour last year, so there is a good chance MG will be interested in acquiring Bolland.

Depends a lot of how SB views dealing Bolland within the conference...
No thanks, Schroeder sucks.

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Another report out of Edmonton suggested that Chicago wants a 1st and pair of 2nds.





In 2010, he was - but it's clear that the Hawks see Bickell as filling that role now.
That sounds absurd - and I'm a Hawks fan who wants everything they can get. The only thing I can think is that maybe the Hawks have jacked up the price to Western conference teams that they see as a threat to them (and the Oilers with all their young talent certainly are) - with the assumption nobody will bite and they probably will trade him out east?

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if that is what Bowman is looking for, I'd gladly take a 2nd this and a 1st for next year

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Bickell could be anywhere from $3 million to $4 million.

Leddy will not receive more than either P.K. Subban or Michael Del Zotto. Leddy's value is $2 million x 2 years on a bridge contract. Kruger's value is $1.125 million x 2 years on a bridge contract.
In other words, we agree that Chicago is fine, right? See? You and a Habs fan CAN agree.

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Bolland will not get anywhere close to the ludicrous deals that "reports" are suggesting. Wow, talk about over valuing a player! A 2nd rounder is about what he is worth to the right team.

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Bolland will not get anywhere close to the ludicrous deals that "reports" are suggesting. Wow, talk about over valuing a player! A 2nd rounder is about what he is worth to the right team.
Gaustad as a potential UFA drew in a 1st rounder. Bolland is under contract for next year. Troy Brouwer brought in a 1st last year at the draft. Do you think Bolland might not get a #1 pick seeing as he fits that general role and is still under contract?

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I would love if Chicago could package bolland and a pick and get burmistrov from WPG

He's a guy I've wanted for a while and think he'd trive in Chicago

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I find it funny that you can't seem to fathom, unlike most Hawks fans in this thread seem able to, that you don't have cap issues.

Why else do you think they are shopping Bolland??!?! Because you have cap issues!
We have cap issues this year due to the cap going down, but those issues aren't massively huge. They won't be in 14/15 either.

If Bolland goes for prospects/picks, we're able to re-sign both Bickell and Leddy. Bickell has already hinted at taking a hometown discount anyway.

Stalberg is not coming back to Chicago. He'll be gone, so I don't understand why you are insistent on bringing him up over and over.

Are you at all familiar with Hawks players in the minors? For Center's alone we have both Leblanc and Pirri pretty much ready, plus a line of wingers that includes, Smith, Morin, Hayes.

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