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Patrick Wiercioch (RFA Rights)

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05-24-2013, 11:12 AM
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Patrick Wiercioch (RFA Rights)

Wondering what Ottawa would require to part with Wiercioch's RFA rights?

How closely tied is this player to the Senators' future plans? Would they even be open to a trade?

Personally, I have him targeted as a possible acquisition for Vancouver. He has local connections (from Burnaby), great size and reach, all-around talent, a big shot from the point, and some of his advanced stats have caught my eye from this season (especially as relates to his on-ice effect on team power play stats).

Would the Sens have any interest in acquiring any of Vancouver's free agent rights?

RFAs: Jordan Schroeder, Bill Sweatt, Dale Weise, Anton Rodin, Derek Joslin, Stefan Schneider, Darren Archibald, Yann Sauve, Prab Rai

UFAs: Derek Roy, Andrew Alberts, Manny Malhotra, Mason Raymond, Maxim Lapierre, Tom Sestito, Steve Pinizzotto, Cam Barker, Andrew Ebbett, Jim Vandermeer, Patrick Mullen, Guillaume Desbiens, Andrew Gordon

(didn't list Tanev's rights as I expect he's top-of-the-list for re-signing)

Or would Ottawa be unwilling to swap rights for rights and require player(s)/pick(s)/prospect(s)? Is so, what's in the ballpark?

Also, if Vancouver can reacquire their 2nd round pick from Dallas, at what cap hit/compensation rate would Ottawa surrender Wiercioch to an offer sheet?

Would they back-off at anything north of say around $2.5 million (and take the 2nd rounder)? Or would it need to be something in the $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 range (1st + 3rd) before they wouldn't match?

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05-24-2013, 11:19 AM
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Prospects and picks hold little value to Ottawa. As they've demonstrated this season, they're as deep as they come with young talent.

Personally I think the sens would be wise to move wiercioch, as his value will never be higher. His play outside of the offensive zone is atrocious, and Maclean doesn't trust him at all. I see him as a MA Bergeron or Kurtis Foster type long term.

That being said, with Gonchar leaving this offseason, we might require a pp specialist, so he has a fit for now. If we can parlay him into an established scoring winger, I'd move him in a package, but for picks and prospects I can't imagine that interests the sens at all.

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The Sens need Wiercioch moving forward. With Gonchar most likely leaving, it really opens the gate for Wiercioch to step up.

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Wiercioch's development has definitely gotten back on track this year. Stayed in Ottawa over the summer to train with Turris. Played well when asked to fill a bigger role. Even threw some punches when needed! He's young, mobile and fits in well with the group and MacLean's system.

I hate to throw out the typical HFboards cliches, but I don't see any 'push' factors for him leaving Ottawa (i.e. glaring positional needs). Which makes me think that a 1-for-1 swap is unlikely - however, could be part of a bigger deal if VAN wants to shake things up.

I think Wiercioch will eventually (very easily) be worth more than 2.5/year. The money would be early for him, but I would be PISSED if he was let go for a 2nd rounder.

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Yeah there is no way I would trade Wiercioch for a 2nd. I'd package him to get a top liner but nothing else. People forget that this kid was our 5th most productive player, our most productive player on the PP, and he's still only 21. He is never gonna be a top pairing guy or anything but we don't need him to be with Methot, Cowen and Karlsson already here for the next 10 or so years. He has a good chance at being a very productive #4, which is something we need. Maybe if Ceci tore up the O we have more incentive to trade Wiercioch, but with Ceci sort of just maintaining status quo, I don't think the time to deal him has come yet.

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Prospects and picks hold little value to Ottawa. As they've demonstrated this season, they're as deep as they come with young talent.

Personally I think the sens would be wise to move wiercioch, as his value will never be higher. His play outside of the offensive zone is atrocious, and Maclean doesn't trust him at all. I see him as a MA Bergeron or Kurtis Foster type long term.

That being said, with Gonchar leaving this offseason, we might require a pp specialist, so he has a fit for now. If we can parlay him into an established scoring winger, I'd move him in a package, but for picks and prospects I can't imagine that interests the sens at all.
Would the rights to Derek Roy and Mason Raymond hold much value?

Or possibly a sign-and-trade involving one of the Canucks' better free agent forwards?

Vancouver's pretty limited in terms of tradeable roster players (who qualify as "established scoring winger[s]"). Unless, of course, you'd take David Booth's contract off our hands.

Sounds like Wiercioch figures into Ottawa's future plans and is valued highly, making the desired returns possibly too difficult for the Canucks to assemble without cutting into their own designs.

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Would the rights to Derek Roy and Mason Raymond hold much value?

Or possibly a sign-and-trade involving one of the Canucks' better free agent forwards?

Vancouver's pretty limited in terms of tradeable roster players (who qualify as "established scoring winger[s]"). Unless, of course, you'd take David Booth's contract off our hands.

Sounds like Wiercioch figures into Ottawa's future plans and is valued highly, making the desired returns possibly too difficult for the Canucks to assemble without cutting into their own designs.
UFA rights don't mean anything to us. Especially for players that don't fit.

Spezza
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We don't need or want Derek Roy.

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Only player on the Canucks I have realistic interest in is Tanev, I think many Sens fans would agree with that. Kassian would be great too but he's even more out there than Tanev

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Kassian.

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Only player on the Canucks I have realistic interest in is Tanev, I think many Sens fans would agree with that. Kassian would be great too but he's even more out there than Tanev
Tanev would be interesting and an intriguing swap of RFAs, given that he and Wiercioch are on nearly opposite poles of the defenseman spectrum.

He's highly overvalued in Canuckland but still a very solid young player who brings the kind of calming presence and defensive conscience to a pairing that's usually only seen in veteran players.

I would expect Vancouver would want Ottawa to add something (and I'm not sure if Sens fans would want to).

This hypothetical is also assuming Edler (or another of the Canucks' high salaried defensemen) gets moved as part of Gillis's "re-set" so I'm not sure the Canucks would want to cut deeper into their D depth for a player whose returns would, while somewhat immediate, be more realized in the future.

Also, Vancouver is extremely reluctant to give-up RHDs. The Canucks struggle mightily whenever they're forced to play anyone in the top-four on their off side (excluding Garrison).

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Rather put together a package.

Michalek, Wiercioch, a prospect to stock Vancouvers cupboards
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Like other have said, I can't see him being traded for anything else than a top line forward.

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He'll develop into a top 4 offensive defenseman that can put up 40P without being a liability defensively.

He's valuable. See no reason to trade him.

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When you draft a project player, you probably want to benefit after waiting for a long time.

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I can see the Sens packaging Wiercioch with another young player (like Stone) and sending them to a team with cap issues in exchange for a solid top 4 D or top 6 winger. The Sens need to get above the floor and have to take on some salary, and the other team would get younger, much cheaper players who are just starting as NHLers. In fact, it is worth keeping Wiercioch around until at least the next trade deadline as we wait for the right type of deal to pop up.

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Trade talks are funny with the Sens now. When you look at their organization I really only see 1 hole and that's scoring talent in the top 6 forwards.

So unless you're offering that type of forward then Ottawa doesn't have much incentive to move anyone on the roster.

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Trade talks are funny with the Sens now. When you look at their organization I really only see 1 hole and that's scoring talent in the top 6 forwards.

So unless you're offering that type of forward then Ottawa doesn't have much incentive to move anyone on the roster.
I wouldn't go that far. Gonchar is probably walking, so there is a pretty big gap in the 3/4 D slot. If Alfie leaves we need a hit of experience and leadership.

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Seems like a new deal with him is a way off. What about Matt Read and a pick for Wierioch?

https://twitter.com/SunGarrioch/stat...78641623056388

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The Senators aren't close to deals with D Patrick Wiercioch and C Erik Condra. Two sides aren't speaking the same language. Talks continue.

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Seems like a new deal with him is a way off. What about Matt Read and a pick for Wierioch?

https://twitter.com/SunGarrioch/stat...78641623056388
But way off for a guy like Patty W or Condra isn't that much. Likely off by <$500k. Murray's got an amazing track record signing RFAs. I'm pretty confident he'll get re-signed. And if he gets traded, its in a package, not as a standalone asset. We are short of high-end skill up front.

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With Gonchar gone Weircioch is the only nhl ready offensive minded defenseman in the system. They simply can't afford to trade him without a player like him coming back.

Probably holds more value tot he Senators then any other team in the league.

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With Gonchar gone Weircioch is the only nhl ready offensive minded defenseman in the system. They simply can't afford to trade him without a player like him coming back.

Probably holds more value tot he Senators then any other team in the league.
How did you forget about the best offensive minded defenseman in the league?

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With Gonchar gone Weircioch is the only nhl ready offensive minded defenseman in the system. They simply can't afford to trade him without a player like him coming back.

Probably holds more value tot he Senators then any other team in the league.
Is Ceci that far off ? Dude managed almost a ppg last year playing most of his games on the worst team in the OHL. I'm asking really, I assume that Gryba gets a full time spot, and Ceci competes in camp.

If they moved Wiercoch, they'd for sure have to re-sign Benoit as a depth guy.

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Read for Wiercioch straight up? I could see you guys rolling with Karlsson and Ceci as your best offensive D-men and you get a top 6 two-way sniper you've been looking for. Flyers get a young D-man that could play in the top 4 for us in the future.

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By the way, Wiercioch and Condra will likely sign. Both sides will just have a staredown. It's called negotiations. #Sens
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^^^^^^ Yep stare down followed by a resigning of both wier and condra,not much going on really

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