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Ducks Requesting Coburn And Flyers 1st For Bobby Ryan

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06-28-2013, 12:17 PM
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1st pick this will be moved only to get a very good D, it's our only chance to get a good D without givng too much

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06-28-2013, 12:21 PM
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Gags has a lost a step, sure. But he had a few steps to give. He's still got excellent wheels, and hands. He looked pretty darn good after he got a few games under him with the Flyers. Remember, he had a solid mass the size of a golf ball removed from his neck before last season, and then didn't really get much playing time with the Kings. Ideally he would look good on the 3rd line with Couturier and Read. Three good two way players who can score.

The team sucked 5 on 5 yes, but they lost arguably their best 5 on 5 defenseman in Carle (he led all NHL D in 5 on 5 scoring his last year with the Flyers). 5 on 5 is where you need a good transition game, and the Flyers transition game was horrible. Streit will help that but he's just a temporary fix. The 11th pick can provide a long term fix (with a little luck).

I certainly wouldn't mind seeing Ryan in a Flyers uniform, but the Flyers aren't in a position to give up what the OP is suggesting. It's a good fantasy hockey trade maybe, not a good real world hockey trade though.
Gagne has never in his entire career had what most people would call good hands and calling his wheels excellent at this point is inaccurate IMO, he's an above average skater right now, that's it.

Anyways, the Flyers lost Carle yes, but they also lost two top 6 forwards in Jagr and JVR that weren't replaced and the lack of depth on the wings was evident at even strength. I'm not suggesting the Flyers do that deal in the OP, I agree they're best off keeping the 11 I'm arguing the point you were trying to make saying the Flyers don't have a need for a top 6 winger, which I feel is ridiculously off base.

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06-28-2013, 12:24 PM
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Value's there, but the reason for the Flyers to do it isn't. I'd do Read/Coburn + 1st 2014 though.
Why would the Ducks go for next years first? With Ryan on the team there's a good possibility it'll be a pick in the 20's or higher.

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06-28-2013, 12:25 PM
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Gagne has never in his entire career had what most people would call good hands and calling his wheels excellent at this point is inaccurate IMO, he's an above average skater right now, that's it.

Anyways, the Flyers lost Carle yes, but they also lost two top 6 forwards in Jagr and JVR that weren't replaced and the lack of depth on the wings was evident at even strength. I'm not suggesting the Flyers do that deal in the OP, I agree they're best off keeping the 11 I'm arguing the point you were trying to make saying the Flyers don't have a need for a top 6 winger, which I feel is ridiculously off base.
Ok, we disagree on Gagne. But I'm not saying we don't need a top 6 winger, I agree there. Just that Ryan for Coburn + #11 is not a good trade for the Flyers. Something around Ryan + Sbisa for Coburn + ? + ? is better, at least we get a good young D back. But I don't think I'd trade the 11th pick unless I get a top pairing D back.

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06-28-2013, 12:48 PM
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That's fine, just like Ryan though. According to dobberhockey he spend around 35% of the time with Giroux
Don't confuse a late bloomer and peaking player with elite talent. At the same age, while Read was developing his skill at the hockey hot bed of Bemijdi State, Ryan was stacking up three consecutive 30 goal seasons in the NHL. By time Read even made it to the NHL, the younger Ryan had over 100 career goals.

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06-28-2013, 12:54 PM
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Gagne has never in his entire career had what most people would call good hands
He must have good hands in his two 40 goal seasons. He wasn't scoring those goals by parking himself in front of the net.

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06-28-2013, 12:55 PM
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Why would the Ducks go for next years first? With Ryan on the team there's a good possibility it'll be a pick in the 20's or higher.
I read one suggestion that next years first or this years second could be the pick instead of this years first. I think it would have to be next years first AND this years second.

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06-28-2013, 01:06 PM
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He must have good hands in his two 40 goal seasons. He wasn't scoring those goals by parking himself in front of the net.
When Peter Forsberg calls a guy the best pure goal scorer he's ever played with, I think it fair to assume that good hands are involved.

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06-28-2013, 01:07 PM
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He must have good hands in his two 40 goal seasons. He wasn't scoring those goals by parking himself in front of the net.
When I think good hands I think stick handling and passing, those weren't Gagne's strengths when he was scoring at that pace. He had a good shot and was a very good skater. It's been a while since those 2 assets have been on display, combined with him missing significant time in each of the past 4 seasons. He's not a reliable top 9 winger any more, accept it flyers fans.

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06-28-2013, 01:10 PM
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You would think moving Coburn will be to open a roster spot for Gustafsson and free up some of the salary the Flyers are paying their D. $33 Mil tied into 7 dmen is crazy. Keeping the picks is smartest, and moving Coburn for assets is ideal considering Streit just signed on for 4 years. Flyers really need to start building their assets/depth.

An interesting idea would to just put Meszaros on LTIR for the year being that he's played just 52% of the Flyers last 141 games, freeing up a roster spot and salary space while retaining a player like Coburn. With Mesz and Kimmo coming off the books next offseason it's probably wisest to keep Coburn unless he's moved for a clear upgrade.

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06-28-2013, 01:23 PM
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He can't go on there unless he actually injured again. Philly is better of trading him for a pick.

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06-28-2013, 01:31 PM
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How about Bobby Ryan + 2013 2nd for Gagne?

Otherwise I dont think you can squeeze Ryan into your already overcrowded Top 6 and since no other teams are interested in Ryan we have to unload him to Philly. Thoughts?

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06-28-2013, 01:36 PM
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That's a superb deal for Philly in my opinion.

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06-28-2013, 01:51 PM
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How about Bobby Ryan + 2013 2nd for Gagne?

Otherwise I dont think you can squeeze Ryan into your already overcrowded Top 6 and since no other teams are interested in Ryan we have to unload him to Philly. Thoughts?
Add the

Too many people won't get the joke.

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06-28-2013, 01:54 PM
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He was being sarcastic.

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06-28-2013, 01:58 PM
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It's Coburn and THIS YEAR'S first not next year's. Anything less and it's a no from Anaheim.

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06-28-2013, 02:01 PM
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Add the

Too many people won't get the joke.
Guess I didnt lay on as much sarcasm as I intended to. But yeah its a for the guy asking if I am smoking.

Youd guess by this thread that Bobby is equal to a guy 7 years older with 29 goals over the last three years combined, when Ryan has 30+ in each of his full seasons.

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It's Coburn and THIS YEAR'S first not next year's. Anything less and it's a no from Anaheim.
The flyers can wait til he is a free agent then. Not 100% that they will get him, I'd say 70%, but it will hurt alot less.

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06-28-2013, 02:04 PM
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The flyers can wait til he is a free agent then. Not 100% that they will get him, I'd say 70%, but it will hurt alot less.
If only it were that easy to acquire a consistent 30-goal scorer.

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If only it were that easy to acquire a consistent 30-goal scorer.
It's not like he is just some random guy though. He has history, and a desire to play in philly. I could very well be wrong, but like I said , I'm pretty sure he will play for the flyers at some point in the not so distant future.

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The flyers can wait til he is a free agent then.
I keep hearing this. It's pretty funny, really.

Have fun waiting 2 years for him to maybe sign with Philly. I'm sure he'll be dealt by then and not a concern of the Ducks.

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How about Bobby Ryan + 2013 2nd for Gagne?

Otherwise I dont think you can squeeze Ryan into your already overcrowded Top 6 and since no other teams are interested in Ryan we have to unload him to Philly. Thoughts?
Gagne is off limits. Maybe if the pick was a 1st.

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I keep hearing this. It's pretty funny, really.

Have fun waiting 2 years for him to maybe sign with Philly. I'm sure he'll be dealt by then and not a concern of the Ducks.
Id rather wait 2 years for him maybe to sign, then pay too much. Just mho.

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Coburn+Laughton maybe. I like Laughton but I wouldn't mind that deal. Flyer fans don't want us to trade for him because he "will sign here for nothing". That never goes wrong though does it?

The Flyers lead scouts are asking Homer to not move the first rounder this year. He seems to be listening as well. During his draft conference with media he even mentioned they need the 1st rounder this year.
I would part with Laughton, my main gripe is giving up core pieces like Schenn or Couturier.

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It's not like he is just some random guy though. He has history, and a desire to play in philly. I could very well be wrong, but like I said , I'm pretty sure he will play for the flyers at some point in the not so distant future.
This seems to be a common theme for a number of players. How often does it ever turn out that way?

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Id rather wait 2 years for him maybe to sign, then pay too much. Just mho.
I don't see how Coburn and a 2013 1st is "too much" for a consistent 30-goal scorer.

The 2014 1st, for me, is a deal breaker. The value of that pick is likely to be quite a bit less.

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