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07-02-2013, 12:30 PM
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in the "heart" department, Bouillon and Gionta are pretty high ranked

not talking about talent here, just heart
Heart is great...heart & skill are better...Heart & skill without being old as dirt is the bestest!!...

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Vinny could take a little less to come here,and make huge endoresment money,huge..you dont get that in Detroit ...if your gesring up for retirment ,max your potential...
People keep throwing this out there like it's a fact, but I'm just not buying it.

From Forbes in 2012:

"Off the ice, the NHL also lags behind when it comes to marketing dollars. A few NHL stars like Crosby, Ovechkin and the Chicago Blackhawks’ Jonathan Toews earn more than $1 million a year from sponsors, but they are the exception."

"Evgeni Malkin ranks No. 3 with earnings of $9.1 million, including $400,000 off the ice."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbade...-paid-players/

So how exactly is Lecavalier going to make millions more in endorsements by playing in Montreal? If anything, he can probably make more in a bigger market. The Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington area has a population of about 6.6M, compared to about 3.8M for greater Montreal area. Even though Montrealers may be more passionate about their team, it still translates to a bigger TV market in Dallas, where they average a 1.0 rating (about 1.1M viewers) compared to an average of about 900k viewers on RDS.

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Heart is great...heart & skill are better...Heart & skill without being old as dirt is the bestest!!...
hey, Selanne fought in WWI and he's still a pretty good player today

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People mentioning all the great endorsement money in Montreal, where would that be?

Lecavalier is a national marketing star, if he's doing endorsements it's for Gatorade or Nike or Bauer or something like that. I don't think it's lucrative pitching local chevy dealerships or smoked meat places in Monteal.

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People keep throwing this out there like it's a fact, but I'm just not buying it.

From Forbes in 2012:

"Off the ice, the NHL also lags behind when it comes to marketing dollars. A few NHL stars like Crosby, Ovechkin and the Chicago Blackhawks’ Jonathan Toews earn more than $1 million a year from sponsors, but they are the exception."

"Evgeni Malkin ranks No. 3 with earnings of $9.1 million, including $400,000 off the ice."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbade...-paid-players/

So how exactly is Lecavalier going to make millions more in endorsements by playing in Montreal? If anything, he can probably make more in a bigger market. The Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington area has a population of about 6.6M, compared to about 3.8M for greater Montreal area. Even though Montrealers may be more passionate about their team, it still translates to a bigger TV market in Dallas, where they average a 1.0 rating (about 1.1M viewers) compared to an average of about 900k viewers on RDS.
Knuckles,
Comparing a SMALL market like PITTSBURGH to Montreal is highly flawed..
Also Crosby wasnt born in Pitts/ Toews wasnt born in Chicago

Are Pittsburgh fans paying $250 to watch a preseason game???in Montreal yes
The same same reason there's languge laws in Quebec,makes Vinny worth tons in endorsments in Que alone.


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I offer you $500 an hour to sip Champagne while judging beauty contests. Someone else offers you $600 an hour to wear Don Cherry's shorts on your face while mopping floors in a slaughterhouse.

So it's Don's shorts is it?
Depends on the term, IMO.

Judging beauty contests can become tiring.

On the other hand, Don's shorts are nothing but unpredictable for the next few years.


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People keep throwing this out there like it's a fact, but I'm just not buying it.

From Forbes in 2012:

"Off the ice, the NHL also lags behind when it comes to marketing dollars. A few NHL stars like Crosby, Ovechkin and the Chicago Blackhawks’ Jonathan Toews earn more than $1 million a year from sponsors, but they are the exception."

"Evgeni Malkin ranks No. 3 with earnings of $9.1 million, including $400,000 off the ice."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbade...-paid-players/

So how exactly is Lecavalier going to make millions more in endorsements by playing in Montreal? If anything, he can probably make more in a bigger market. The Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington area has a population of about 6.6M, compared to about 3.8M for greater Montreal area. Even though Montrealers may be more passionate about their team, it still translates to a bigger TV market in Dallas, where they average a 1.0 rating (about 1.1M viewers) compared to an average of about 900k viewers on RDS.
And yet Dallas' bigger market meant an arena only 92% full last season averaging 17,000 fans.

In Montreal you have 4 million ppl who know Vinny and maybe 1 million passionate about the Habs.

In Dallas you might have 500,000 ppl who know Vinny and maybe 300,000 diehard fans. Dallas is football, baseball, basketball first

Look at how Galchenyuck gets cheered wildly and he's only a semi-star at this point. You get a real star and a homegrown at one he'll make alot of money off the ice. Much more than Dallas or Detroit (where he'd be an afterthought behind Datysuk and Zberg$.

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It's not just about cap room, at some point you have to draw a line. You're getting a good player, not a star or a superstar. You're paying for a 50-60 point guy that's 6'4" with a cup ring. Yes he has good value but at some point not far from a 5 mil cap hit is starts to be too much, same for more than 5 years. It's not about HAVING the cap room it's about USING IT WISELY so you can possibly win a cup...not just make the bipoilar fans happy for 4-6 months.

I'm pretty sure Gionta uses planes.
He could ride a big dog though.

Right now, Vinnie in and Gio out has to be a Habs' fan's dream. How could anyone argue against it?

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So how exactly is Lecavalier going to make millions more in endorsements by playing in Montreal?
True, it won't be millions a year right away. But long-term, it can be profitable, IMO.

Guy Lafleur is still paid to be a Habs spokesperson despite playing his last game with the team almost 30 years ago. Doubt you get that in Denver.

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Knuckles,
Comparing a SMALL market like PITTSBURGH to Montreal is highly flawed..
Also Crosby wasnt born in Pitts/ Towes wasnt born in Chicago

The same same reason there's languge laws in Quebec,makes Vinny worth tons in endorsments in Que alone.
So you think an aging star returning home can make more money than the best player in the league who's the central focus of the league's national marketing strategy?

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Would be really nice if we could rid of the Gionta and Desharnais contracts without taking any salary back whatsoever.

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People mentioning all the great endorsement money in Montreal, where would that be?

Lecavalier is a national marketing star, if he's doing endorsements it's for Gatorade or Nike or Bauer or something like that. I don't think it's lucrative pitching local chevy dealerships or smoked meat places in Monteal.
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People mentioning all the great endorsement money in Montreal, where would that be?

Lecavalier is a national marketing star, if he's doing endorsements it's for Gatorade or Nike or Bauer or something like that. I don't think it's lucrative pitching local chevy dealerships or smoked meat places in Monteal.
lecavalier is no longer a national marketing star by any means...

Gatorade/Nike/Bauer don't throw the big bucks at players outside of the elite group, unless they have a particular angle/aspect.

Subban, for example, had Nike & RBC deals well before his norris season... guess why...

Lecavalier, in Montreal, has a better chance at landing those types of endorsements on the grounds that he's french-canadian and would immediately have a greater marketing appeal to the relatively large quebec sports/hockey market. He doesn't have nearly that appeal for those companies while playing outside of Quebec.

He's far more likely to land a major national/NA endorsement deal from a big player like those ones as a part of the habs, then he is playing anywhere else except perhaps Toronto.

and then there are all the quebec based companies that would be lining up to have him, as a hab, as the face of their endorsement efforts...

Metro, Weston, Desjardins, Jean-Coutu, Rona, St-Hubert (remember gainey) Lotto-Quebec et et... these are all companies that wouldn't throw a penny at Lecavalier outside of him being the franchophone face of the franchise for montreal.

smoke meat shops and chevy dealerships are where ex-players who had fan appeal get a few bucks here and there. Current, top-level, french speaking guys would be getting much bigger/juicer offers than that...

He'll have some marketing appeal in whatever local market he goes to, but there are no other hockey markets that will provide him with the depth/size of marketability that he'd get as a franchophone playing in Quebec... especially with no other franchophone player any where near his appeal on the team.

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So you think an aging star returning home can make more money than the best player in the league who's the central focus of the league's national marketing strategy?
Age got nothing to do with it...Look at David Beckham..i would say that's.what Vinny will be to Quebec as a member of Habs..there is a ton of brand power not being tapped
Not hard to see that....i mean PKSubban got 160,000 more twitter followers than Vinny does.......burried in small market,not maxing brand power potential...

Guy Lafleur still on my tv doing commericals....
For Vinny commericials,resturant,clothing line,jewerly etc whatever he wants...sports drinks..whatever


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I expect another story coming out shortly about how interested we are in Vinny.

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All the reports today point in two directions for Vinny : Dallas and Boston.

What the ****?

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lecavalier is no longer a national marketing star by any means...

Gatorade/Nike/Bauer don't throw the big bucks at players outside of the elite group, unless they have a particular angle/aspect.

Subban, for example, had Nike & RBC deals well before his norris season... guess why...

Lecavalier, in Montreal, has a better chance at landing those types of endorsements on the grounds that he's french-canadian and would immediately have a greater marketing appeal to the relatively large quebec sports/hockey market. He doesn't have nearly that appeal for those companies while playing outside of Quebec.

He's far more likely to land a major national/NA endorsement deal from a big player like those ones as a part of the habs, then he is playing anywhere else except perhaps Toronto.

and then there are all the quebec based companies that would be lining up to have him, as a hab, as the face of their endorsement efforts...

Metro, Weston, Desjardins, Jean-Coutu, Rona, St-Hubert (remember gainey) Lotto-Quebec et et... these are all companies that wouldn't throw a penny at Lecavalier outside of him being the franchophone face of the franchise for montreal.

smoke meat shops and chevy dealerships are where ex-players who had fan appeal get a few bucks here and there. Current, top-level, french speaking guys would be getting much bigger/juicer offers than that...

He'll have some marketing appeal in whatever local market he goes to, but there are no other hockey markets that will provide him with the depth/size of marketability that he'd get as a franchophone playing in Quebec... especially with no other franchophone player any where near his appeal on the team.
Even Laraque has a juicer deal

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Darche, one of if not the worst player in the league during his last season here had no problems getting commercial, a tv gig, and 60 000 people to pay attention to this tweets.

Vinny would have marketing opportunities for the next 4-5 years in Montreal that wouldn't exist anywhere else. The important thing though is Bergevin showing him that there are Stanley Cup opportunities.

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Would be really nice if we could rid of the Gionta and Desharnais contracts without taking any salary back whatsoever.
Gionta is a UFA after this season.

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Lecavalier signing with Boston would be the ultimate troll move.

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Knuckles,
Comparing a SMALL market like PITTSBURGH to Montreal is highly flawed..
Also Crosby wasnt born in Pitts/ Toews wasnt born in Chicago

Are Pittsburgh fans paying $250 to watch a preseason game???in Montreal yes
The same same reason there's languge laws in Quebec,makes Vinny worth tons in endorsments in Que alone.
Ok, what about Jarome Iginla (pre-trade)? He should be near the top of the big earners, right? Played his whole pro career with the same team, olympic hero, playing in a good ol' Canadian market? How much do you think he earned in 2012?

$750k of endorsement money. And a lot of that was probably national, given that I've seen his commercials in Montreal...

Lecavalier is absolutely going to be in demand in Quebec for endorsement deals, but I just don't see how they are going to be very lucrative.

If anyone has any examples of any Quebecois mega endorsement deal in any domain, I'd like to hear it for comparisons sake.

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Been told by a 2nd NHL Source that they think Vinny is going to Dallas Stars. Spoke to Stars and they still haven't heard anything.

I really don't get the attraction to Dallas, he's 33 and that team is not going to winning squat with that defense and bottom 6. Not to mention by the time they're ready to compete half the people they have signed will be in a retirement home.

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Lecavalier signing with Boston would be the ultimate troll move.
meh, we'll boo him and go on with our lives..

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meh, we'll boo him and go on with our lives..
He'd be booed more than Chara and Lucic

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Been told by a 2nd NHL Source that they think Vinny is going to Dallas Stars. Spoke to Stars and they still haven't heard anything.

I really don't get the attraction to Dallas, he's 33 and that team is not going to winning squat with that defense and bottom 6. Not to mention by the time they're ready to compete half the people they have signed will be in a retirement home.
Who's Josh Rimer?

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