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Predators Drafting Record Thus Far

(Apologies if some of the data like team or league is incorrect)

1998
RoundPickNamePositionHeightWeightCountryLeagueTeamNHL GP
12David LegwandC6.02202USAOHLPlymouth Whalers894
360Denis ArkhipovC6.03212RussiaRussiaKazan Ak-Bars352
367Geoff KochLW6.01190USACCHAUniversity of Michigan0
488Kent SauerD6.02226USAUSHLNorth Iowa Huskies0
5138Martin BeauchesneD6.00200CanadaQMJHLSherbrooke Faucons0
6147Craig BrunelRW6.00220CanadaWHLPrince Albert Raiders0
8202Martin BartekLW6.00192SlovakiaQMJHLSherbrooke Faucons0
9230Karlis SkrastinsD6.01210LatviaSM-liigaTPS Turku832

1999
RoundPickNamePositionHeightWeightCountryLeagueTeamNHL GP
16Brian FinleyG6.02205CanadaOHLBarrie Colts4
233Jonas AnderssonRW6.03204SwedenSwedenAIK9
252Adam HallRW6.03206USACCHAMichigan State University602
254Andrew HutchinsonD6.02206USACCHAMichigan State University140
261Ed HillD6.02215USAOHLBarrie Colts0
265Jan LasakG6.00204SlovakiaSlovakZvolen HKm6
372Brett AngelD6.05221CanadaOHLNorth Bay Centennials0
4121Yevgeny PavlovC6.01191RussiaRussiaTolyatti Lada0
4124Alexandr KrevsunRW5.11171RussiaRussiaSamara CSK VVS0
5131Konstantin PanovRW6.00186RussiaWHLKamloops Blazers0
6162Timo HelblingD6.03224SwitzerlandSwiss-ADavos11
7191Martin EratRW6.00203Czech RepublicCzechZlin Jr.732
7205Kyle KettlesG6.03185CanadaWHLMedicine Hat Tigers0
8220Miroslav DurakD6.03183SlovakiaSlovakBratislava Jr.0
9248Darren HaydarRW5.09170CanadaNCAANew Hampshire23

2000
RoundPickNamePositionHeightWeightCountryLeagueTeamNHL GP
16Scott HartnellRW6.02210CanadaWHLPrince Albert Raiders875
236Daniel WidingRW6.00185SwedenSELLeksand IF0
372Mattias NilssonD6.03203SwedenSELModo Hockey Ornskoldsvik0
489Libor PivkoLW6.02192Czech RepublicCzechHavirov Femax HC1
5131Matt HendricksC6.00215USAMinnesota HSBlaine263
5137Mike StuartD6.00195USAWCHAColorado College3
5154Matt Koalska C6.00205USAUSHLTwin Falls Vulcans3
6173Tomas HarantD6.03200SlovakiaSlovakZilina Jr0
6197Zbynek IrglLW5.11178Czech RepublicCzechVitkovice HC0
7203Jure PenkoG6.01190SloveniaUSHLGreen Bay Gamblers0
8236Mats ChristeenD6.00194SwedenSwedenSodertalje Jr.0
8284Martin HohenerD6.01180SwitzerlandSwiss-AKloten0

2001
RoundPickNamePositionHeightWeightCountryLeagueTeamNHL GP
112Dan HamhuisD6.01203CanadaWHLPrince George Cougars676
233Timofei ShishkanovRW6.01213RussiaRussiaMoscow Spartak24
242Tomas SlovakD6.01191SlovakiaSlovakKosice HC0
375Denis PlatonovRW6.03205RussiaRussiaSaratov Kristall0
376Oliver SetzingerC6.00180AustriaSM-liigaIlves Tampere0
498Jordin Tootoo RW5.09200CanadaWHLBrandon Wheat Kings528
6178Anton LavrentievD6.04196RussiaRussiaKazan0
8240Gustav Grasberg C5.11183SwedenSwedenMora0
9271Mikko LehtonenD6.01194FinlandSM-liigaKarpat15

2002
RoundPickNamePositionHeightWeightCountryLeagueTeamNHL GP
16Scottie UpshallRW6.00197CanadaWHLKamloops Blazers414
4102Brandon Segal RW6.02214CanadaWHLCalgary Hitmen103
5138Patrick JarrettC5.10181CanadaOHLOwen Sound Attack0
6172Mike McKennaG6.03187USAECACSt. Lawrence University17
7203Josh MorrowD6.01210CanadaWHLTri-City Americans0
8235Kaleb Betts C5.10185CanadaBCHLChilliwack Chiefs0
9264Matt DavisG6.00198CanadaQMJHLMoncton Wildcats0
9266Steven SpencerD6.02221CanadaWHLSwift Current Broncos0

2003
RoundPickNamePositionHeightWeightCountryLeagueTeamNHL GP
17Ryan SuterD6.01194USAUSAUS Junior National Team590
235Konstantin GlazachevLW6.0186RussiaRussiaYaroslavl Lokomotiv0
237Kevin KleinD6.01203CanadaOHLToronto St. Michael's Majors356
249Shea Weber D6.04230CanadaWHLKelowna Rockets528
376Richard StehlikD6.04245SlovakiaQMJHLSherbrooke Castors0
389Paul BrownRW6.02184CanadaWHLKamloops Blazers0
392Alexander SulzerD6.01207GermanyDELHamburg Freezers106
398Grigory Shafigulin C6.02185RussiaRussiaYaroslavl Lokomotiv0
4117Teemu LassilaG6.00202FinlandSM-liigaTPS Turku0
4133Rustam Sidikov G6.01158RussiaRussiaCSKA Jr.0
7210Andrei Mukhachev D6.03196RussiaRussiaCSKA Moscow0
7213Miroslav HanuljakG5.11165Czech RepublicCzechLitvinov Jrs.0
9268Lauris Darzins RW6.02176LatviaFinlandLukko Jrs.0

2004
RoundPickNamePositionHeightWeightCountryLeagueTeamNHL GP
115Alexander Radulov RW6.01188RussiaRussiaTver154
381Vaclav Meidl C6.04198Czech RepublicOHLPlymouth Whalers0
4107Nick Fugere LW6.02230CanadaQMJHLGatineau Olympiques0
5139Kyle MoirG6.02190CanadaWHLSwift Current Broncos0
5147Janne NiskalaD6.00187SwedenSM-liigaLukka Rauma6
6178Mike SantorelliC6.00189CanadaBCHLVernon Vipers208
6193Kevin Schaeffer D6.01195USAHockey-EastBoston University0
7209Stanislav BalanC6.02181Czech RepublicCzechZlin Jr.0
8243Denis KulyashD6.03199RussiaRussiaHC CSKA0
8258Pekka RinneG6.05206FinlandSM-liigaKarpat293
9275Craig Switzer D6.02195CanadaBCHLSalmon Arm Silverbacks0

2005
RoundPickNamePositionHeightWeightCountryLeagueTeamNHL GP
118Ryan Parent D6.03183CanadaOHLGuelph Storm106
378Teemu LaaksoD6.01201FinlandSM-liigaHIFK Helsinki17
379Cody FransonD6.04214CanadaWHLVancouver Giants243
5150Cal O'Reilly C6.00187CanadaOHLWindsor Spitfires113
6176Ryan MakiRW6.02210USAECACHarvard University0
7213Scott ToddD6.04221CanadaOHLWindsor Spitfires0
7230Patric Hornqvist RW5.11186SwedenSwedenVasby287

2006
RoundPickNamePositionHeightWeightCountryLeagueTeamNHL GP
256Blake GeoffrionLW6.01191USAUSAUS National Under 18 Team55
4105Niko Snellman LW6.03208FinlandFinlandIlves Jr.0
5146Mark DekanichG6.02190CanadaECACColgate University1
6176Ryan Flynn RW6.02214USAUSAUS National Under 18 Team0
7206Viktor Sjodin RW6.00207SwedenSwedenVasteras Jr.0

2007
RoundPickNamePositionHeightWeightCountryLeagueTeamNHL GP
123Jonathon BlumD6.01177USAWHLVancouver Giants91
254Jeremy SmithG6.00168USAOHLPlymouth Whalers0
258Nick SpalingC6.01187CanadaOHLKitchener Rangers226
381Ryan ThangLW5.11190USACCHANotre Dame1
4114Ben RyanC5.11190USAUSHLDes Moines Buccaneers0
4119Mark Santorelli C6.01191CanadaWHLChilliwack Bruins0
5144Andreas Thuresson LW6.01204SwedenSELMalmo IF25
6174Robert Dietrich D5.10174GermanyDELDEG Metro Stars0
7204Atte Engren G6.01194FinlandSM-liigaLukko Rauma0

2008
RoundPickNamePositionHeightWeightCountryLeagueTeamNHL GP
17Colin WilsonC6.01213USAHockey-EastBoston University210
118Chet PickardG6.02210CanadaWHLTri-City Americans0
238Roman JosiD6.01185SwitzerlandSwiss-ABern100
5138Taylor Stefishen LW5.11170CanadaBCHLLangley Chiefs0
6166Jeffrey Foss D6.02208USAECACR.P.I.0
7201Jani Lajunen C6.01174FinlandFinlandBlues Jrs.0
7207Anders Lindback G6.06198SwedenSwedenAlmtuna IS62

2009
RoundPickNamePositionHeightWeightCountryLeagueTeamNHL GP
111Ryan EllisD5.09173CanadaOHLWindsor Spitfires64
241Zach BudishRW6.03229USAMinnesota HSEdina High School0
242C Olivier RousselD6.01196CanadaQMJHLShawinigan Cataractes0
370Taylor BeckLW6.02205CanadaOHLGuelph Storm16
372Michael LattaC5.11200CanadaOHLGuelph Storm0
498Craig SmithC6.01189USAUSHLWaterloo Black Hawks116
4102Mattis EkholmD6.04194SwedenSwedenMora IK3
4110Nick OliverLW6.03184USAMinnesota HSRoseau High School0
5132Gabriel BourqueLW5.09183CanadaQMJHLBaie-Comeau Drakkar77
7192Cameron ReidC6.02185CanadaBCHLWestside Warriors0

2010
RoundPickNamePositionHeightWeightCountryLeagueTeamNHL GP
118Austin WatsonLW6.03185USAOHLPeterborough Petes6
378Taylor AronsonD6.00196USAWHLPortland Winterhawks0
5126Patrick CehlinRW5.11176SwedenSELDjurgardens IF Stockholm0
6168Anthony BitettoD6.01210USAUSHLIndiana Ice0
7194David ElsnerW6.00185Germany2.GBunLandshut Cannibals0
7198Joonas RaskC5.11168FinlandSM-liigaIlves Tampere2

2011
RoundPickNamePositionHeightWeightCountryLeagueTeamNHL GP
238Magnus HellbergG6.05185SwedenSwedenAlmtuna IS0
252Miika SalomakiRW5.11198FinlandSM-liigaKarpat0
494Josh ShallaLW6.01202CanadaOHLSaginaw Spirit0
4112Garrett NoonanD6.00205USAHockey-EastBoston University0
5142Simon KarlssonD6.02178SwedenSwedenMalmo Jrs.0
6170Chasen BalisyC5.11170USACCHAWestern Michigan University0
7202Brent AndrewsLW6.02200CanadaQMJHLHalifax Mooseheads0

2012
RoundPickNamePositionHeightWeightCountryLeagueTeamNHL GP
237Pontus AbergLW5.11189SwedenSELDjurgardens IF Stockholm0
250Colton SissonsC6.00187CanadaWHLKelowna Rockets0
366Jimmy VeseyLW6.01194USAEJHLSouth Shore0
389Brendan LeipsicLW5.08165CanadaWHLPortland Winterhawks0
4112Zachary StepanC5.11165USAMinnesota HSShattuck St. Marys0
4118Mikko VainonenD6.02222FinlandFinlandHIFK Jrs.0
6164Simon FernholmD6.04187SwedenSwedenHuddinge Jrs.0
6172Max GortzRW6.02196SwedenSELFarjestads BK Karlstad0
6179Marek MazanecG6.04187Czech RepublicCzechPlzen HC0

Summary:

Games Played Breakdown by Round
RoundNumber of Picks1 GP10 GP82 GP100 GP200 GP400 GP600 GP800 GP1000 GP
11312109865320
2211086642100
319653320000
419533311000
515842210000
617331110000
717432221100
88111110000
97331111110
Totals136524028271910630

Games Played % Breakdown by Round
Round1 GP10 GP82 GP100 GP200 GP400 GP600 GP800 GP1000 GP
192%77%69%62%46%38%23%15%0%
248%38%29%29%19%10%5%0%0%
332%26%16%16%11%0%0%0%0%
426%16%16%16%5%5%0%0%0%
553%27%13%13%7%0%0%0%0%
618%18%6%6%6%0%0%0%0%
724%18%12%12%12%6%6%0%0%
813%13%13%13%13%0%0%0%0%
943%43%14%14%14%14%14%14%0%
Percentage38%29%21%20%14%7%4%2%0%

Yes the totals at the bottom include 2011 and 2012. I'd argue that they probably shouldn't be used for totals. The % go up a very small amount when taking out last year for example (about 1 point each column)


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i don't know if its just me... but that's not impressive at all. outside of 2003 and erat, rinne, hornqvist

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i don't know if its just me... but that's not impressive at all. outside of 2003 and erat, rinne, hornqvist
Not really sure what you're expecting but Poile has basically picked at least one NHL player every year except for '06. In multiple years, there are usually 2 if not more NHL players per draft. That's not too shabby at the end of the day. If you look at the '09 draft, that may be his crown jewel when all is said and done. I could see 6 players from that draft playing for us and 7 total if Latta ends up playing in DC. I would say '02 was disappointing as well. Other than that, I can't really see what's so bad about this draft history.

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i don't know if its just me... but that's not impressive at all. outside of 2003 and erat, rinne, hornqvist
Compare it to most teams and it looks better outside of 2006 when they only had 5 picks they got at least two players with 100+ games. Most teams in that time frame didn't even get one per season. In 2007 the Canucks drafted 6 players and none (so far) have ever played one NHL game.

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i guess id have to see it in context with others. 2009 looks pretty decent.

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i guess id have to see it in context with others. 2009 looks pretty decent.
It's pretty frightening to see it broken down that way, but most teams will have a very similar breakdown. I don't think we often realize just how many players never make it to see even 1 NHL game.

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I think Poile once said you have to get at least one player from every draft, two is pretty solid and anything more than that is a great draft. '03 was pretty amazing but I think '09 could be the magical one when all is said and done.

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It's pretty frightening to see it broken down that way, but most teams will have a very similar breakdown. I don't think we often realize just how many players never make it to see even 1 NHL game.
Yeah... More proof that us HFers overvalue picks

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i don't know if its just me... but that's not impressive at all. outside of 2003 and erat, rinne, hornqvist
Between 1998 and 2005 we picked 14 players who played at least three seasons in the NHL. Between 2005 and now we have had low 1sts, and after, say, 2008 the chances of a player having the ability to play that many seasons, regardless of who drafted him, is pretty small.

I'd say it's a pretty decent track record. Almost 2 NHL players per year for eight years, and we've yet to see what some of the more recent (2008-present) players will do.

Not to mention in that time we have selected three NHL superstars (Weber, Suter, Rinne), one KHL megastar (Radulov), two players many view as stars (Hamhuis, Hartnell), one of the most under-the-radar defensive defensemen in the game (Klein), and several players many teams would love to have (Legwand, Erat, Hornqvist, Wilson, Josi).

It may not be shooting the moon, but it isn't like it has been a poor job either.

In 2011-2012 our team was one of the best teams in the entire league in total points, total wins, powerplay, penalty kill, total offense, total defense. Nearly 65% of the players who laced them up during that season were drafted by Nashville.

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Looking at overall they had 4 game changers in all years of drafting. Weber and Suter and Rinne and to lesser extent Hamhuis. The recent drafts still to be determined. Hornqvist is best forward in lower rounds along with Rinne. The rest like Erat and Legwand are serviceable players whom they kept around and in hindsights didn't pan out great only better than average. I would give him a C+ with the Josi and Wilson draft which is still to be determind could get it to a B+. The picks of Blum and Franson whom were supposed to be high end picks that haven't paned out as that. The sad part is that no forwards in that mix who were game changers at all or even close

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2003 is nuts, 3 legit top 4 defensemen, 2 of those Norris finalist....

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2003 is nuts, 3 legit top 4 defensemen, 2 of those Norris finalist....
And the best one of the three was the last one we picked.

If Ellis and Smith get their acts together 2009 could end up being a beastly draft for poile at least in terms of volume. Looking at a possibility of 6 legit NHL players. That would be phenomenal

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Looking at overall they had 4 game changers in all years of drafting. Weber and Suter and Rinne and to lesser extent Hamhuis. The recent drafts still to be determined. Hornqvist is best forward in lower rounds along with Rinne. The rest like Erat and Legwand are serviceable players whom they kept around and in hindsights didn't pan out great only better than average. I would give him a C+ with the Josi and Wilson draft which is still to be determind could get it to a B+. The picks of Blum and Franson whom were supposed to be high end picks that haven't paned out as that. The sad part is that no forwards in that mix who were game changers at all or even close
One thing, Erat was a sixth round pick right? I'd say that's a win to get a top 6 winger at that position. He and Hornqvist have been the best late round forward picks by far.

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One thing, Erat was a sixth round pick right? I'd say that's a win to get a top 6 winger at that position. He and Hornqvist have been the best late round forward picks by far.
Pekka Rinne was our best late round pick. 258th overall and a top 3 in his position in the league.


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Erat has a higher career PPG average than Hornqvist. .66 PPG for Erat. .56 PPG for Hornqvist. Erat is the better forward, and it's not even close. Hornqvist is good, but he's pretty much one dimensional. Meanwhile, Erat plays all areas of the ice.

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Pekka Rinne was our best late round pick. 258th overall and a top 3 in his position in the league.
I think he meant with regards to forwards since rosey was saying Hornqvist is the best late round forward Poile has selected.

edit: I missed where he said "forward" in his comment.

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About 60% of draft picks never suit up for an NHL team, and only about 10% stay and have long careers. Below is a list of teams in the West alongside the number of draft picks who played 500 or more games in the NHL (with 1,000+ games, the real "home run" draft picks, listed by name, and asterisks denoting HHOF members).

Nashville - 9/136 (6.6%)
1,000 Games - None (Closest is David Legwand, 894)

Anaheim - 13/160 (8.1%)
1,000 Games - Matt Cullen

Calgary - 30/340 (8.8%)
1,000 Games - Al MacInnis*, Brett Hull*, Joe Nieuwendyk*, Gary Roberts, Gary Suter, Theoren Fleury, Derek Morris, Cory Stillman, Paul Ranheim

Chicago - 40/467 (8.6%)
1,000 Games - Jeremy Roenick, Denis Savard*, Marc Bergevin, Dave Manson, Ed Olczyk, Doug Wilson, Phil Russell, Bob Murray, Steve Larmer

Colorado (includes Quebec) - 42/353 (11.8%)
1,000 Games - Dale Hunter, Joe Sakic*, Mats Sundin*, Owen Nolan, Adam Foote, Michel Goulet*, Curtis Leschyshyn, Milan Hejduk

Columbus - 2/117 (1.7%)
1,000 Games - None (Closest is Rick Nash, 718)

Dallas (includes Minnesota) - 34/435 (7.8%)
1,000 Games - Mike Modano, Brian Bellows, Neal Broten, Bobby Smith, Bob Rouse, Derian Hatcher, Jarome Iginla, Jamie Langenbrunner

Detroit - 50/452 (11.1%)
1,000 Games - Nicklas Lidstrom, Steve Yzerman*, Marcel Dionne*, Sergei Fedorov, Vyacheslav Kozlov, Adam Graves, Murray Craven, Mike Knuble, Mike Sillinger, Tomas Holmstrom, Mike Foligno, Dallas Drake

Edmonton - 31/346 (8.9%)
1,000 Games - Mark Messier*, Paul Coffey*, Kevin Lowe, Jari Kurri*, Jason Arnott, Ryan Smyth, Kelly Buchberger, Glenn Anderson*, Kirk Maltby, Miroslav Satan

Los Angeles - 37/413 (8.9%)
1,000 Games - Larry Murphy*, Luc Robitaille*, Darryl Sydor, Martin Gelinas, Rob Blake, Garry Galley, Bernie Nicholls, Dave Taylor, Butch Goring, Jay Wells, Olli Jokinen, Alexei Zhitnik, Kimmo Timonen

Minnesota - 5/97 (5.2%)
1,000 Games - None (Closest is Nick Schultz, 811)

Phoenix (includes Winnipeg) - 30/339 (8.8%)
1,000 Games - Teemu Selanne, Teppo Numminen, Shane Doan, Keith Tkachuk, Dave Babych, Dale Hawerchuk*, Kris Draper, Stu Barnes, Dave Ellett, Fredrik Olausson, Dave Christian

San Jose - 22/191 (11.5%)
1,000 Games - Ray Whitney, Patrick Marleau

St. Louis - 33/440 (7.5%)
1,000 Games - Rod Brind'Amour, Doug Gilmour*, Cliff Ronning, Ian Laperriere, Mike Grier, Bret Hedican, Steve Staios, Bernie Federko

Vancouver - 48/393 (12.2%)
1,000 Games - Trevor Linden, Adrian Aucoin, Dave Lowry, Harold Snepsts, Don Lever

Colorado since relocation - 8/160 (6.0%)
Dallas since relocation - 10/166 (6.0%)
Phoenix since relocation - 2/134 (1.5%)

All things considered, we don't do too poorly, especially considering that we very rarely draft in the top 10 in a given year. That time will come for us, but it will probably take 10 years or more to get our numbers up to par with the rest of the league. The biggest conclusion to draw from this data, though, is that the draft boils down to one part scouting and two parts sheer dumb luck.

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Seems Poile likes the Euros and Americans when drafting. In the higher rounds

totals across all rounds:
Euro 62
Canada 42
USA 30

Totals across rounds 1, 2 and 3
Euro 19
UAS 15
Can 18


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2008 and 2009 are looking like good years, but yes, this is why picks can get overvalued.

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