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Staple (via Kyper) on Dipietro/Luongo

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06-28-2013, 03:39 PM
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Here's how Gillis should present this to NYI:

If you don't add prospects, picks or roster players to RD we are going to buy him out, which means placing him on waivers. On waivers it's anybodies guess as to who will claim him, but if you add to the deal he's all yours.

Also, we are the only club that will get you out of the RD contract so if Luongo does go on waivers and you are successful in claiming him you better be ready to pay them both for a very long time.

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Wouldn't those teams rather rebuild? I don't know we'll see. Teams just don't want to be on the hook for that contract when he retires. That's just too much money tied up on a non roster player.
Calgary isn't really a team that likes to rebuild (as we have seen in recent years), and Columbus, Edmonton, and Winnipeg all want to be playoff teams next season.

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06-28-2013, 03:41 PM
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Overrated? Disagreed.
He has his pro's and cons, I admit the way he handled this situation by being "Stay Still Gill" blew up in his face but his signings are extremely good Edler just a shade step (offensively) behind Letang making 5M, Sedins making 6.1, Hamhuis at 4.5M etc etc.
He's great at signing contracts, usually for players that were already here when he became GM. It's the adding to the core over the past few years that has been a complete disaster.

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06-28-2013, 03:43 PM
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Calgary isn't really a team that likes to rebuild (as we have seen in recent years), and Columbus, Edmonton, and Winnipeg all want to be playoff teams next season.
Well im just ready for it to be over. The suspense is killing me.

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You would think this news would help curb some of that "Strome + 1st for Luongo" nonsense, but I realize some have too much pride.

In the end, despite Luongo's current talent level and abilities, his contract makes him an undesired asset. The Islanders are not willing to give up anything else but a bad contract for another bad contract. It's that simple. If it comes down to the Canucks buying him out, the swap would save them money. Some fans might not like it, but it could come down to that.
If loungo retires Vancouver will face recapture penalty. It would be better to buyout Lou, with an understanding which team he signs to play with. The $ savings is not enough incentive for making a 1 for 1 swap.

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Nope, he only has a no trade clause.

http://capgeek.com/player/683
My bad still applies that similar to Brier and Vinny, Luongo would get to chose to go on waivers for buy or just get straight bought out.

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Again I don't understand how this is being overlooked, but you have to also factor in if the Islanders just buy out DP, they also have to PAY a goaltender to play for them. Nabokov made 2.75 million last year. Luongo is likely to play at least 4 more seasons. Say you get a free agent goaltender for 3 million a year for the next 4 years. That's another 12 million dollars right there that you have to factor in.

It's not Luongo's contract for DP's contract. They both wouldn't be bought out.

It would be Luongo's contract (which comes with a starting goaltender) or the cost of DP's buyout + whatever is paid to the starting goaltender you sign as a UFA for the years Luongo would play.

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No one is claiming Luongo off waivers. Come on now.

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Hah! I call foul. I have not been on this board much until very recently but I saw many posts from you speculating about scenarios in which the Nucks get all sorts of good stuff from the Isles in a Dipetro/Luongo swap.
I think had one post commenting that the Canucks would likely want either Nino/Isles' 1st for a DiPietro/Luongo swap. If that's considered "many posts" and "coming up with stuff", I digress.

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Yeah, what they would add to entice the Nucks might be eating Ballard or Booth's contract. Everybody wins!
But you just said it's not something that would happen?

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My bad still applies that similar to Brier and Vinny, Luongo would get to chose to go on waivers for buy or just get straight bought out.
No, Luongo has no control over being put on waivers or being sent to the AHL.
He only has control over blocking trades.

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My opinion alert: If Edmonton wants him they can make a pitch once he's a UFA. Sign him to a contract they like and move on. If Luongo turns down the Oilers, they'll look elsewhere for a goalie. No harm, no foul. Certainly no need to grab him on the contract he is currently signed to.
Hypothetical Question:

Luongo is a free agent July 5th, and to play in Edmonton he wants 5 years at 6 million per.

In your mind is that significantly better than his current deal?

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Again I don't understand how this is being overlooked, but you have to also factor in if the Islanders just buy out DP, they also have to PAY a goaltender to play for them. Nabokov made 2.75 million last year. Luongo is likely to play at least 4 more seasons. Say you get a free agent goaltender for 3 million a year for the next 4 years. That's another 12 million dollars right there that you have to factor in.

It's not Luongo's contract for DP's contract. They both wouldn't be bought out.

It would be Luongo's contract (which comes with a starting goaltender) or the cost of DP's buyout + whatever is paid to the starting goaltender you sign as a UFA for the years Luongo would play.

Luongo=6.7 million in real dollars.
Nabby = 2.75. Dipietro's buyout=1.5

6.7 > 2.75 + 1.5

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If loungo retires Vancouver will face recapture penalty. It would be better to buyout Lou, with an understanding which team he signs to play with. The $ savings is not enough incentive for making a 1 for 1 swap.
Which I agree is the most likely scenario we will see happen.

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06-28-2013, 03:50 PM
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Hypothetical Question:

Luongo is a free agent July 5th, and to play in Edmonton he wants 5 years at 6 million per.

In your mind is that significantly better than his current deal?

The thing that I find so funny about this situation is that the very same GMs who think Loungo's deal is so terrible will go out and sign other players to worse deals.

I'd argue, for example, that the deal Philly gave to Streit could work out a lot worse. So, Philly would have been better off trading for Luongo and using the cap space that way.

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Just because the Isles are interested in this deal doesn't mean the Nucks are. It's a bad deal for Vancouver.
If Staple is reporting it, it's pretty legit.

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Not saying this wouldn't be a bad deal for vancouver, just saying that this source is pretty solid.

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He's great at signing contracts, usually for players that were already here when he became GM. It's the adding to the core over the past few years that has been a complete disaster.
That even can be debated;
Hamhuis
Garrison
Samuelsson

were all great additions

His draft record and trade history definitely needs improving;
Keith Ballard
Derek Roy
Grabner
all were bad trades imo

the others are still to be seen (Kassian)

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Hypothetical Question:

Luongo is a free agent July 5th, and to play in Edmonton he wants 5 years at 6 million per.

In your mind is that significantly better than his current deal?
Significantly better? Not really. Preferable to his current contract? Yes.

I have said on this forum before that I would prefer that the Oilers sign Luongo to a deal of their own as a UFA if they want him. 6 million a season for the next 4? We can use that as a base for negotiations. But if he wants that 5th season, I want that AAV down to 5

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The thing that I find so funny about this situation is that the very same GMs who think Loungo's deal is so terrible will go out and sign other players to worse deals.

I'd argue, for example, that the deal Philly gave to Streit could work out a lot worse. So, Philly would have been better off trading for Luongo and using the cap space that way.
Agreed.

The strange thing is:
Why would Gillis buy out Dipietro, when he could have bought out Bryzgalov and sent Luongo to Philly? Phillys owners would have paid roughly the same amount of dollars, and solved their goaltending (with little extra $'s being spent).

I don't think this RDP for Luongo swap is realistic...

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Ha Goodluck to the Oiler fan who said they can just sign him as a ufa, if Luongo is bought out he's going to Florida.

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If Staple is reporting it, it's pretty legit.

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Not saying this wouldn't be a bad deal for vancouver, just saying that this source is pretty solid.
Staple is only reporting the Isles' interest. He said later it probably won't happen.

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If Staple is reporting it, it's pretty legit.

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Not saying this wouldn't be a bad deal for vancouver, just saying that this source is pretty solid.
Oh I'm sure NYI would move DP for Luongo but Vancouver won't touch that unless there's something coming back like your 1st

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That even can be debated;
Hamhuis
Garrison
Samuelsson

were all great additions

His draft record and trade history definitely needs improving;
Keith Ballard
Derek Roy
Grabner
all were bad trades imo

the others are still to be seen (Kassian)
He's added 2 home province d-men to the core in 5 years....

how can that be debated? That's unacceptable.

There isn't a good top 6 forward on our roster that Gillis brought in, Hansen is our 5th best forward and even he was already here. We need to start adding some talent up front since we can't score in the playoffs. I was hoping Luongo could fetch that but I overestimated our GM apparently.

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Ha Goodluck to the Oiler fan who said they can just sign him as a ufa, if Luongo is bought out he's going to Florida.
Pretty sure I said if he doesn't want to sign, no harm, no foul.

I wouldn't bet on Luongo wanting to sign in Edmonton. But if he's a UFA, where's the trouble with at least offering him a contract?

He was an Oiler fan growing up, you never know. Take a shot, got nothing to lose.

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I say its not worth it for the Canucks to do so... not for 3.***M on a long run
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06-28-2013, 04:00 PM
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He's added 2 home province d-men to the core in 5 years....

how can that be debated? That's unacceptable.

There isn't a good top 6 forward on our roster that Gillis brought in, Hansen is our 5th best forward and even he was already here. We need to start adding some talent up front since we can't score in the playoffs. I was hoping Luongo could fetch that but I overestimated our GM apparently.
Just because they are from BC doesn't mean a lock (See: Shea Weber / Justin Shultz) Gillis may not make a huge splash free agent wise because he doesn't overpay. And they were 2nd on the list for Justin Shultz, added big guy Kellan Lain, touted goalie Eriksson, these guys could turn out to be something good.

And not fair to peg Gillis not being able to get a perfect return on Luongo when owners pressured him into signing Luongo long term. Gillis never made a deal like that before and publicly stated he isn't a fan of long term contracts but all of the sudden he says it's different with goaltenders? caamaaan

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