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06-28-2013, 02:14 PM
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It just shows your ignorance. He's not a top player but a very good 2nd liner that can play all forward positions and all situations of the game. So what he's 27? He's still young in NHL years as he hasn't took the abuse most guys have at that age in the NHL.
27 is young in the NHL?

No, it's not. It doesn't "show my ignorance". I give Read his due. A lot of Flyers fans are trying to offer up Read for assets that are significantly more value than him. I'm not saying it's necessarily the case in this instance (though the last thing the Blues need is another middle-six winger), but it seems like I can't open up a thread on this forum lately and not see "Read for X", regardless of whose being discussed.

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06-28-2013, 02:17 PM
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I'll beat the same dead horse that I posted in the Pavelski thread. It all depends on if Flyers fans like something invovling Read and Halak though. Since most flyer fans probably didn't look in the Pavelski thread, I'll post it again... Add minor picks if needed...

To STL: Pavelski (1 year UFA)

To SJ: Perron/Stewart, Read (1 year UFA)

To Philly: Halak (1 year UFA)

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I'll beat the same dead horse that I posted in the Pavelski thread. It all depends on if Flyers fans like something invovling Read and Halak though. Since most flyer fans probably didn't look in the Pavelski thread, I'll post it again... Add minor picks if needed...

To STL: Pavelski (1 year UFA)

To SJ: Perron/Stewart, Read (1 year UFA)

To Philly: Halak (1 year UFA)
So Blues trade both Halak and Perron or Stewart for Pavelski? Yaaaa..I dont see many Blues fan being happy.

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Jeez, Matt Read is THE most popular and versatile asset on all of HFboards these days. I like the guy, but I didn't think he was that good to be honest. In this case, due to goalie prices always being disappointing, it's probably fair value, but the guy is already 27 years old. He's somewhat physical and has 50 point potential. Definitely a support player and not a guy whose going to get it done on his own.

I feel like I've seen his name come up in talks for Gardiner, #7 overall, Halak, Miller, as a key piece for Ryan or Letang. Matt Read, alone, is the new Ryder, Halak, 2nd.


That's what I came here to post.

I think it's fair value for Halak.

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They aren't allowed to, according to the terms of their release from the "I Won't be Stupid Anymore" support group.

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Halak + pick/prospect for Couturier and Read.

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So Blues trade both Halak and Perron or Stewart for Pavelski? Yaaaa..I dont see many Blues fan being happy.
A good amount of blues and sharks fans agreed on Perron + 2nd for Pavs. The 2nd is our highest pick this season, so we'd prefer to keep it. I don't see Halak having much higher value than a 2nd, so it seems to work. Add minor picks wherever would be needed...

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27 is young in the NHL?

No, it's not. It doesn't "show my ignorance". I give Read his due. A lot of Flyers fans are trying to offer up Read for assets that are significantly more value than him. I'm not saying it's necessarily the case in this instance (though the last thing the Blues need is another middle-six winger), but it seems like I can't open up a thread on this forum lately and not see "Read for X", regardless of whose being discussed.
You can't really look at his age and say he is old. It's the wear and tear on his body when you are evaluating a late bloomer like Read. He hasn't had to deal with the long grind of an NHL season on a year to year basis as he has only played in 1 and a half seasons. I don't think you understand the accumulative strain these guys put on their body. Most of these guys know when they are ready to retire. It's when they can't get out of bed without being stiff and sore as hell.

Also most flyers fans see him as a complementary piece in a trade for a top player. But for instance a Halak trade you can say its equal value.

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06-28-2013, 02:25 PM
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Id rather get Laughton than Read.

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06-28-2013, 02:29 PM
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How exactly can Matt Read return a starting goalie?

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Blues can easily get a player like Read without giving up Halak

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Halal isn't getting couturier.

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How exactly can Matt Read return a starting goalie?
A starting goalie that lost his #1 status by Brian Elliott. Also, I do take into account that even though his GAA is 2.14 from this shortened season, his SV% was also .899...

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06-28-2013, 02:33 PM
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Timmy P isn't the greatest of sources, of course, but the Flyers make sure they kick the tires on all the major options, so this is unsurprising.

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How exactly can Matt Read return a starting goalie?
I see Halak as a forever Goalie by commitee if you are in Fantasy football you will know what i mean.

Read would not return a True/proven starting goalie.

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06-28-2013, 02:35 PM
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You can't really look at his age and say he is old. It's the wear and tear on his body when you are evaluating a late bloomer like Read. He hasn't had to deal with the long grind of an NHL season on a year to year basis as he has only played in 1 and a half seasons. I don't think you understand the accumulative strain these guys put on their body. Most of these guys know when they are ready to retire. It's when they can't get out of bed without being stiff and sore as hell.

Also most flyers fans see him as a complementary piece in a trade for a top player. But for instance a Halak trade you can say its equal value.
He's still human. He hasn't dealt with the wear and tear... at the NHL level. Do you think he was just laying on fluffed pillows prior to getting to the NHL, leaving his body completely fresh and unworked? Age catches up to everyone. 27 is 27. He's not likely to get a lot better at that age, and he's not likely to have more than 5 good years or so. It is not the same thing as talking about a 23 year old with Matt Read's NHL resume, where the value would genuinely be intriguing. It's still a guy who physically is as grown up as he's going to become, who will still start to run into natural symptoms of aging as hits 30 and beyond. You honestly believe that while he was working (extra hard) to MAKE it to the NHL as a late bloomer, he wasn't putting strain and wear and tear on his body. Sure, it's not the NHL. But your "he's only 27 on paper!" argument is not holding water.

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A starting goalie that lost his #1 status by Brian Elliott. Also, I do take into account that even though his GAA is 2.14 from this shortened season, his SV% was also .899...
He was injured for the majority of the season

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Blues can easily get a player like Read without giving up Halak
they already have several forwards better than read to begin with.

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This is another Goalie i can see ending up in a Flyers uniform. But who would the Flyers give to the Blues?? These could be the options:

- Matt Read (I don't want to see him leave the Flyers) but he could be the guy.

- Sean Couturier (I don't want to see him leave either)

But those could really be the 2 guys the Blues will be looking at.

I can see this trade happening.

Flyers:

Matt Read
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Blues:

Jaroslav Halak
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2. The flyers get a good, quick, puck moving D.

3. The Flyers get rid of Grossman. Contract to high.

4. The Blues get a young player, Matt Read.

5. The Blues get a big solid D.

6. The Blues lose Halak, But they have Elliot, and Allen.

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they already have several forwards better than read to begin with.
That too.

Trading Halak for Read is just stupid.

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This is another Goalie i can see ending up in a Flyers uniform. But who would the Flyers give to the Blues?? These could be the options:

- Matt Read (I don't want to see him leave the Flyers) but he could be the guy.

- Sean Couturier (I don't want to see him leave either)

But those could really be the 2 guys the Blues will be looking at.

I can see this trade happening.

Flyers:

Matt Read
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Jaroslav Halak
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2. The flyers get a good, quick, puck moving D.

3. The Flyers get rid of Grossman. Contract to high.

4. The Blues get a young player, Matt Read.

5. The Blues get a big solid D.

6. The Blues lose Halak, But they have Elliot, and Allen.
Read is 27. He's not that young.

and the Blues could not roll with Elliott and Allen for an entire season, that would be a disaster

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And Grossman for Russell would hurt us style wise. Russell is perfect with Polak.

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He's still human. He hasn't dealt with the wear and tear... at the NHL level. Do you think he was just laying on fluffed pillows prior to getting to the NHL, leaving his body completely fresh and unworked? Age catches up to everyone. 27 is 27. He's not likely to get a lot better at that age, and he's not likely to have more than 5 good years or so. It is not the same thing as talking about a 23 year old with Matt Read's NHL resume, where the value would genuinely be intriguing. It's still a guy who physically is as grown up as he's going to become, who will still start to run into natural symptoms of aging as hits 30 and beyond. You honestly believe that while he was working (extra hard) to MAKE it to the NHL as a late bloomer, he wasn't putting strain and wear and tear on his body. Sure, it's not the NHL. But your "he's only 27 on paper!" argument is not holding water.
Are you forgetting Halak is 28 and actually has injury problems unlike Read? Just let it go dude.

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