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Flyers talking to St. Louis About Halak

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06-28-2013, 02:43 PM
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Read is 27. He's not that young.

and the Blues could not roll with Elliott and Allen for an entire season, that would be a disaster
He's not young, but he is young enough to still play. He will fill the roles of Jamie Langenbrunner (37) But other then that really, the Blues have some young players no one really over there 30's yet as forwards. The addition of Read for the Blues would be great! but the addition of Halak to the Flyers would also be great. So in my opinion its not bad trade.

And why? Elliot had 14 wins 8 losses. Save% .907 (the greatest) G.AA 2.28: He could actually pretty good next season.

Allen, Looked solid as well. He could easily fill the back up role.


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Are you forgetting Halak is 28 and actually has injury problems unlike Read? Just let it go dude.
Let what go, exactly? I've posted at least twice that I could see the value being fair in this case, but that it doesn't fulfill any need for St. Louis. The poster I was addressing was commenting on Read's inclusion in virtually every proposal these days and my simply saying I feel he's being over valued in general. The argument that "27 isn't really 27 for Matt Read" is ridiculous.

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Read would have finished 3rd in scoring for STL the year before and 6th this year.

You would find a spot for him on your 4th line i would say...

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Read would have finished 3rd in scoring for STL the year before and 6th this year.

You would find a spot for him on your 4th line i would say...
Right...What about if he had to play in Hitchcock's system against the much stronger West?

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Halak to Philly
then
Peverley+Subban for Stewart

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Let what go, exactly? I've posted at least twice that I could see the value being fair in this case, but that it doesn't fulfill any need for St. Louis. The poster I was addressing was commenting on Read's inclusion in virtually every proposal these days and my simply saying I feel he's being over valued in general. The argument that "27 isn't really 27 for Matt Read" is ridiculous.
It's clear you're upset that people keep bringing up Matt Read in trade proposals because you personally don't think he's that good. How about not reading proposals involving the Flyers?

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Halak to Philly
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Peverley+Subban for Stewart
Don't need Subban, so easily no.

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Not at all. We already have Allen waiting in the wings, so Subban is not a need. that Package doesn't get Stewart.

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He's still human. He hasn't dealt with the wear and tear... at the NHL level. Do you think he was just laying on fluffed pillows prior to getting to the NHL, leaving his body completely fresh and unworked? Age catches up to everyone. 27 is 27. He's not likely to get a lot better at that age, and he's not likely to have more than 5 good years or so. It is not the same thing as talking about a 23 year old with Matt Read's NHL resume, where the value would genuinely be intriguing. It's still a guy who physically is as grown up as he's going to become, who will still start to run into natural symptoms of aging as hits 30 and beyond. You honestly believe that while he was working (extra hard) to MAKE it to the NHL as a late bloomer, he wasn't putting strain and wear and tear on his body. Sure, it's not the NHL. But your "he's only 27 on paper!" argument is not holding water.
Everybody ages differently and there are many other factors to aging. Me at the age of 27 isn't going to to be the same as you would be 27. Too many variables. We will just agree to disagree. I'm going to sit here and act arrogant to make you take what I say as gospel. I have an opinion and so do you.

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Halak is not a good goalie and he is overpaid. He is not durable enough to be a #1 and he is only as good as the defense that plays in front of him. Flyers should save their money/picks and sign Emery. Mason and Emery can both challenge each other for the #1.

Question, why are the flyers so terrible in drafting a goaltender? They should go hard after Zach Fucale in the draft!

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Read would have finished 3rd in scoring for STL the year before and 6th this year.

You would find a spot for him on your 4th line i would say...
Well didn't Andy McDonald retire? He was on the 2nd-3rd line?

Jaden Schwartz- David Backes- Alex Steen

Matt Read (I know he is a right winger)-Vladimir Sobotka- Chris Stewart

David Perron (If he stays)- Patrik Berglund-T.J. Oshie

Adam Cracknell- Chris Porter- Ryan Reaves
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Well didn't Andy McDonald retire? He was on the 2nd-3rd line?

Jaden Schwartz- David Backes- Alex Steen

Matt Read (I know he is a right winger)-Vladimir Sobotka- Chris Stewart

David Perron (If he stays)- Patrik Berglund-T.J. Oshie

Adam Cracknell- Chris Porter- Ryan Reaves
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This was the Blues line combination from the last time they played.
Missing Tarasenko there...

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Well didn't Andy McDonald retire? He was on the 2nd-3rd line?

Jaden Schwartz- David Backes- Alex Steen

Matt Read (I know he is a right winger)-Vladimir Sobotka- Chris Stewart

David Perron (If he stays)- Patrik Berglund-T.J. Oshie

Adam Cracknell- Chris Porter- Ryan Reaves
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Tarasenko.

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06-28-2013, 02:57 PM
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I rather see the Flyers get Emery. Halak's contract is to high, he is over-rated.

Last season, Halak went 6-5 with a Save% of .889

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Well didn't Andy McDonald retire? He was on the 2nd-3rd line?

Jaden Schwartz- David Backes- Alex Steen

Matt Read (I know he is a right winger)-Vladimir Sobotka- Chris Stewart

David Perron (If he stays)- Patrik Berglund-T.J. Oshie

Adam Cracknell- Chris Porter- Ryan Reaves
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You have the second and third lines flipped. Sobotka is not a second liner.

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Read only makes sense if Perron is moved for a center.

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Ed Snider has truck loads of money. He will give his team everything it needs to win. Luongo is the best goalie available right now from a pure achievement/win now standpoint (unless Thomas is also available but even then Lou would be #2)
The cash isn't the problem, the cap hit is. In a non-cap world, Snider would get Luongo and pay his salary with the change collected from the ash trays in his cars and boats.

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Halak is not a good goalie and he is overpaid. He is not durable enough to be a #1 and he is only as good as the defense that plays in front of him. Flyers should save their money/picks and sign Emery. Mason and Emery can both challenge each other for the #1.

Question, why are the flyers so terrible in drafting a goaltender? They should go hard after Zach Fucale in the draft!
They just dont draft goalies in the early rounds. Stolarz 45th last draft, then nothing before the 90s.

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Halak would be an outstanding fit in Philly. He lets pressure roll right off his back. The Blues need to find a way to keep him though.

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Halak is not a good goalie and he is overpaid. He is not durable enough to be a #1 and he is only as good as the defense that plays in front of him. Flyers should save their money/picks and sign Emery. Mason and Emery can both challenge each other for the #1.

Question, why are the flyers so terrible in drafting a goaltender? They should go hard after Zach Fucale in the draft!
Stolarz is playing well early in his development so I wouldn't think about Fucale until Round 2, and he'll be gone then.

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Missing Tarasenko there...
Good point haha, hold on. And this is without David Perron, due to trade rumor and he is the highest trade bait for the Blues.

Jaden Schwartz - David Backes- Vladimir Tarasenko

Chris Stewart- Patrik Berglund- Alex Steen

Matt Read- Vladimir Sobotka- T.J. Oshie

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Ed Snider has truck loads of money. He will give his team everything it needs to win. Luongo is the best goalie available right now from a pure achievement/win now standpoint (unless Thomas is also available but even then Lou would be #2)
Three words: Cap recapture penalty.

That alone is the reason why neither Philly nor Vancouver should be pursuing a Luongo trade.


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And bank even more money of cap advantage to be used in penalty against your cap when Luongo retires?

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How about Schneider for Couturier?
Not interested. There are plenty of cheaper options that don't require the loss of Couturier.

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They just dont draft goalies in the early rounds. Stolarz 45th last draft, then nothing before the 90s.
There lies the goaltending problem of the Flyers. They don't put any high regard for goaltending.

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Halak would be an outstanding fit in Philly. He lets pressure roll right off his back. The Blues need to find a way to keep him though.
I hope this was sarcastic. Halak is garbage, this is why he is getting traded.

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