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Flyers talking to St. Louis About Halak

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06-28-2013, 03:47 PM
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Cue in Blues fans: "Laughton is not a need. We have so and so".

Laughton for Halak is a pass if i'm Holmgren.

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06-28-2013, 03:50 PM
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That's what I thought.

What would Philly fans think of something built around Halak for Laughton?
Need to add like maybe a late 1st early 2nd? from the blues. Idk, I don't like Halak that much, so mebbe don't listen to me


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06-28-2013, 03:54 PM
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That's what I thought.

What would Philly fans think of something built around Halak for Laughton?

Need to add like maybe a late 1st early 2nd? from the blues. Idk, I don't like Halak that much, so mebbe don't listen to me
No chance of a 1st or 2nd.


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06-28-2013, 04:07 PM
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How highly is Laughton thought of by Philly management? Legitimate target or is he likely closer to untouchable?
I would be more willing to trade him than Schenn/Couts if that helps.

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06-28-2013, 04:10 PM
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I would be more willing to trade him than Schenn/Couts if that helps.
So he could be had but most Flyer fans aren't comfortable with Halak as the centerpiece of the return.

Got it.

Carry on...

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06-28-2013, 04:11 PM
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I'd do Halak for 41 but I'm not sure about other blues fans. It's time to move on. Elliot isn't the answer either but I'm fine with unloading Halak's salary and using it towards other players.

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06-28-2013, 04:26 PM
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Deal Halak for Read.
Deal Perron for Miller.
Sign UFA C.
Profit???
That doesn't solve the issue of 3 goalies, though. Elliott and Halak would have to be moved in order to make room for Miller.

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06-28-2013, 04:31 PM
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Couturier and the 11th for Pietrangelo, Halak, and a low pick?
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heh, no.

I would probably say:

Schenn Bros + #11
Piet + Halak

Doubt that still gets it done.
Easy no to both of these.

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06-28-2013, 04:33 PM
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That's what I thought.

What would Philly fans think of something built around Halak for Laughton?
Would much rather sign one of the UFAs then lose Laughton for one year of a tandem goalie.

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06-28-2013, 04:38 PM
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As I thought of in another thread; something like this makes a lot of sense:

Perron; Halak; Polak;

for

Couturier, Gustafsson or 2/3pick

Everyone is expendable by both teams, and pretty much everyone fills a need for the other team. And the value is pretty even too. Phillie gets a long term solution in the top 6, decent #1 goalie that is hated by his current team (so must be moved), and a RHD in their top4. The Blues get a their solution for a top 2 C, and a prospect to deepen their organizational depth on D.

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06-28-2013, 04:41 PM
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As I thought of in another thread; something like this makes a lot of sense:

Perron; Halak; Polak;

for

Couturier, Gustafsson or 2/3pick

Everyone is expendable by both teams, and pretty much everyone fills a need for the other team. And the value is pretty even too. Phillie gets a long term solution in the top 6, decent #1 goalie that is hated by his current team (so must be moved), and a RHD in their top4. The Blues get a their solution for a top 2 C, and a prospect to deepen their organizational depth on D.
That makes us a worse team for next season. The mid round pick doesn't mean anything to us, and neither does Gustafsson who I doubt will crack the Blues roster. Of course, I shouldn't have expected anything more from you.

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06-28-2013, 04:50 PM
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Blues can easily get a player like Read without giving up Halak
Read finished 105 in forward scoring last year...so he would be a high end 2nd rounder. Then when you look that he actually hits and plays the PK, that puts him ahead of some other guys that produce the same but are 1 dimensional.(the Brad Boyes of the world)

People wondering why Read is mentioned, that is a few reasons why. Some others are:
Giroux-captain
Voracek-just broke out
Hartnell-NMC
Simmonds-can't be replaced in the line-up
Schenn-had a half-breakout, waiting for bigger one
Couts-best defensive F on team, can't be replaced internally
Read-see above

BUT, I 100% agree that Read is not needed on St.L The trade makes no sense. Personally, I want Philly to try and re-sign Read. Very versitile player.

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06-28-2013, 04:52 PM
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As I thought of in another thread; something like this makes a lot of sense:

Perron; Halak; Polak;

for

Couturier, Gustafsson or 2/3pick

Everyone is expendable by both teams, and pretty much everyone fills a need for the other team. And the value is pretty even too. Phillie gets a long term solution in the top 6, decent #1 goalie that is hated by his current team (so must be moved), and a RHD in their top4. The Blues get a their solution for a top 2 C, and a prospect to deepen their organizational depth on D.
Not terrible, but not ideal.

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I fail to see how Halak represents an improvement over Bryzgalov, other than in cap hit terms.

Snider must be feeling nostalgic and longing for the days of Roman Cechmanek - another great Czech goalie who was a one-hit wonder in Philly.

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06-28-2013, 05:00 PM
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I can't see the Blues moving both goaltenders, but the prospect of moving Halak for Miller is exactly what the Blues should look at. At the very least, it acquires a mass-start goaltender who excels on periodic shooting, with Allen to eventually come in and take the back-up role.

I don't see Elliott having the same value as Halak, and I don't see him being able to partner with Allen to run an 82-game season. Halak gets moved first, and unless Philadelphia can immediately pony-up a starter for St. Louis a deal doesn't get done. Therefore, the Blues will not be trading with Philadelphia -- again.

I can see Philly MGMT kicking the tires on Halak, but they're only going to be able to get Elliott. What is Philadelphia willing to sacrifice for Elliott? nothing.


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06-28-2013, 05:02 PM
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There lies the goaltending problem of the Flyers. They don't put any high regard for goaltending.
In fairness, it's easy to say that when you have a goalie that has played 20 years for you. Look at their past 18 1st rounders. I don't think anyone can argue that drafting a forward has been good to them vs the other positions:
Laughton
Couturier
Sbisa
JVR
Giroux
Downie
Carter
Richards
Pitkanen
Woywitka-bust
Williams
Ouellet-bust
Gagne
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Boucher-semi-bust
Sittler-injuries derailed career before it started
Forsberg
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As I thought of in another thread; something like this makes a lot of sense:

Perron; Halak; Polak;

for

Couturier, Gustafsson or 2/3pick

Everyone is expendable by both teams, and pretty much everyone fills a need for the other team. And the value is pretty even too. Phillie gets a long term solution in the top 6, decent #1 goalie that is hated by his current team (so must be moved), and a RHD in their top4. The Blues get a their solution for a top 2 C, and a prospect to deepen their organizational depth on D.
Zero interest in trading Polak for Gustafsson.

Blues need a #1 C, not a top 2.

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06-28-2013, 05:20 PM
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That makes us a worse team for next season. The mid round pick doesn't mean anything to us, and neither does Gustafsson who I doubt will crack the Blues roster. Of course, I shouldn't have expected anything more from you.
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Zero interest in trading Polak for Gustafsson.

Blues need a #1 C, not a top 2.
Some blues fans are just really hard to please.

How does that make your a worse team? That would make you a more balanced team, trading pieces that you have surplus of , for something that you need (a good NHL two-way center) that can still get better.

And yeah, don't like top 2 Cs; good luck getting the likes of Kopitar, Spezza, Tavares, etc; without giving up Pietrangelo.

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06-28-2013, 05:27 PM
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Some blues fans are just really hard to please.

How does that make your a worse team? That would make you a more balanced team, trading pieces that you have surplus of , for something that you need (a good NHL two-way center) that can still get better.

And yeah, don't like top 2 Cs; good luck getting the likes of Kopitar, Spezza, Tavares, etc; without giving up Pietrangelo.
Coots goes below Backes and Berglund in the Blues line-up. This is all fine and dandy if his potential continues to climb, but at this moment in the franchise's development it would be better to just acquire a #2/3C from free agency and not lose their: best playmaking winger, starting goaltender, and penalty-killing specialist, all for just one guy who statistically faired worse than Vladimir Sobotka, the Blues' potential #3C.

so again, letowskie, you're wrong, go home

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06-28-2013, 05:28 PM
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Some blues fans are just really hard to please.

How does that make your a worse team? That would make you a more balanced team, trading pieces that you have surplus of , for something that you need (a good NHL two-way center) that can still get better.

And yeah, don't like top 2 Cs; good luck getting the likes of Kopitar, Spezza, Tavares, etc; without giving up Pietrangelo.
Beyond Polak, we have zero RHD depth. It's not a position of strength as you portray it.

Personally, I think Armstrong's looking for a good blue chip center prospect rather than break the bank for a current one.

Blues fans have been fairly consistent and vocal about needing a #1C. We don't have many other needs. If you offer us something we need, this might go better for you.

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Some blues fans are just really hard to please.

How does that make your a worse team? That would make you a more balanced team, trading pieces that you have surplus of , for something that you need (a good NHL two-way center) that can still get better.

And yeah, don't like top 2 Cs; good luck getting the likes of Kopitar, Spezza, Tavares, etc; without giving up Pietrangelo.



This, I have noticed.

Blues fans won't even entertain the thought of Pietrangelo for multiple high value, less proven assets [nor should they be expected to], but then expect a #1C to arrive for exactly that [high value, but less-proven assets].

Works both ways.

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None of us are expecting elite centers. Ideally someone who is capable of 60 points and is an offensive upgrade over Backes, but at a minimum someone who can get 50 points and fit our system.

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None of us are expecting elite centers. Ideally someone who is capable of 60 points and is an offensive upgrade over Backes, but at a minimum someone who can get 50 points and fit our system.
This. The Blues don't need a generational talent to cap their forwards; they need someone to act as a pivot for all the ******* scoring wingers on their team.

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None of us are expecting elite centers. Ideally someone who is capable of 60 points and is an offensive upgrade over Backes, but at a minimum someone who can get 50 points and fit our system.
Fair enough, but what are the trading chips to achieve this? Any names in mind of who you can trade for, and who you'd trade for them?

60+ point players have a lot of value in the NHL, especially centers.

I haven't seen things the Blues are willing to give up to acquire these centers, but admittedly, am not overly familiar, so enlighten me.

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This, I have noticed.

Blues fans won't even entertain the thought of Pietrangelo for multiple high value, less proven assets [nor should they be expected to], but then expect a #1C to arrive for exactly that [high value, but less-proven assets].

Works both ways.
Except you haven't noticed it. The majority of Blues fans talk about a #1C in relative terms to our team. Names like Pavelski or Stastny. Not names like Tavares, Giroux, Crosby, Couture or whoever else. When a couple of posters do bring up outlandish names, the proposal isn't regurgitated over and over and over and over.

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