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08-30-2013, 11:55 AM
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Why does appreciating Gillies require putting down Brossoit for some people? Seriously, we have two great goalie prospects who have done nothing but improve after their drafts and both have all the tools to become NHLers. Throwing around hyperbole like "not even close", "hands down better" etc. makes absolutely no sense as both guys are still really young and very much in development. In five years we'll probably know but it's way too early now. How can any direct comparisons even be made when they've never played in the same leagues anyway?

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08-30-2013, 11:57 AM
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Why does appreciating Gillies require putting down Brossoit for some people? Seriously, we have two great goalie prospects who have done nothing but improve after their drafts and both have all the tools to become NHLers. Throwing around hyperbole like "not even close", "hands down better" etc. makes absolutely no sense as both guys are still really young and very much in development. In five years we'll probably know but it's way too early now. How can any direct comparisons even be made when they've never played in the same leagues anyway?
Well put. Having too many good goalies in the system is a good problem to have.

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08-30-2013, 12:10 PM
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Why does appreciating Gillies require putting down Brossoit for some people? Seriously, we have two great goalie prospects who have done nothing but improve after their drafts and both have all the tools to become NHLers. Throwing around hyperbole like "not even close", "hands down better" etc. makes absolutely no sense as both guys are still really young and very much in development. In five years we'll probably know but it's way too early now. How can any direct comparisons even be made when they've never played in the same leagues anyway?
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08-30-2013, 12:14 PM
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Why does appreciating Gillies require putting down Brossoit for some people? Seriously, we have two great goalie prospects who have done nothing but improve after their drafts and both have all the tools to become NHLers. Throwing around hyperbole like "not even close", "hands down better" etc. makes absolutely no sense as both guys are still really young and very much in development. In five years we'll probably know but it's way too early now. How can any direct comparisons even be made when they've never played in the same leagues anyway?
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08-30-2013, 02:32 PM
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What happens to brossiot is the same thing that people have been doing to reinhart. Putting them down because of newer prospects (knight, gillies)

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What happens to brossiot is the same thing that people have been doing to reinhart. Putting them down because of newer prospects (knight, gillies)
I agree. Some people on this board have some really grandiose illusions about how good Knight will be, I remember some people thinking he was our 3rd or 4th best prospect.

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08-30-2013, 04:23 PM
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Question: Is Galiardi really a 4th liner?
He's more of a fourth liner than Hudler, Baertschi, and Glencross.

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That Abbotsford roster looks like they could use an enforcer. Jackman maybe? I would imagine he would clear waivers.
Maybe. I'd love if Ferland would take that role and run with it. A 0.5 PPG season in the AHL while beating the **** out of the opposition would be quite the redemption season.

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08-30-2013, 05:50 PM
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I doubt he clears waivers.
All the more reason to put Tim Jackman on waivers. Mcgrattan and Jackmans' play last season make him expendable.

Flames have too many wingers. It would be nice to get rid of some of the deadweight without actually bringing players back in return. It would be nice if their were 1 or 2 spots that guys like Horak, Reinhart, Nemisz etc could compete for.


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08-30-2013, 05:53 PM
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All the more reason to put Tim Jackman on waivers. Mcgratton and Jackmans' play last season make him expendable.

Flames have too many wingers. It would be nice to get rid of some of the deadweight without actually bringing players back in return. It would be nice if their were 1 or 2 spots that guys like Horak, Reinhart, Nemisz etc could compete for.
I agree. It's frustrating over the past few seasons when we bring in guys like Pierre-Luc the Blonde or Raitis Ivanans just when we thought we were going to have an open roster spot.

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08-30-2013, 05:58 PM
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He's more of a fourth liner than Hudler, Baertschi, and Glencross.



Maybe. I'd love if Ferland would take that role and run with it. A 0.5 PPG season in the AHL while beating the **** out of the opposition would be quite the redemption season.
I would be happy if Ferland could just prove he is AHL ready this season. And don't forget that AHL enforcers are generally better scrappers then NHL enforcers. Most AHL heavyweights would speedbag Ferland.


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08-30-2013, 06:07 PM
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I agree. It's frustrating over the past few seasons when we bring in guys like Pierre-Luc the Blonde or Raitis Ivanans just when we thought we were going to have an open roster spot.
Haha. Raitis Ivanans is the worst Flame ever! He played 2 games for the Flames.

In his first game he was -1 with 0:01 ice time! And he lost a fight so badly that he was out for over a year.

And his second game as a Flame was the 9-0 Boston massacre.

At least PL3 was good for a laugh sometimes.


I think while the Flames are rebuilding they should be going into training camp with 18-20 one way contracts. 23-25 is a great way to let the Heat guys know that they don't have a chance.

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I agree. It's frustrating over the past few seasons when we bring in guys like Pierre-Luc the Blonde or Raitis Ivanans just when we thought we were going to have an open roster spot.
Haha. Raitis Ivanans is the worst Flame ever! He played 2 games for the Flames.

In his first game he was -1 with 0:01 ice time! And he lost a fight so badly that he was out for over a year.

And his second game as a Flame was the 9-0 Boston massacre.

At least PL3 was good for a laugh sometimes.


I think while the Flames are rebuilding they should be going into training camp with 18-20 one way contracts. 23-25 is a great way to let the Heat guys know that they don't have a chance.

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08-31-2013, 03:20 AM
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Glencross - Cammy - Hudler
Baertschi - Stajan - Stempniak
Knight - Backlund - Jones
Galiardi - B.Jones - Jackman
McGrattan/


Giordano - Brodie
Russell - Wideman
Weatherspoon - O'Brien
Butler/Smith

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I get the reasoning behind putting Camm at centre, but with so many centre prospects shouldn't we be giving them a shot? I think we should put Stajan as the first line centre and let the rest battle it out for 2-4 spot. For example Stajan - Backlund - Monahan -Knight.

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08-31-2013, 07:00 AM
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I get the reasoning behind putting Camm at centre, but with so many centre prospects shouldn't we be giving them a shot? I think we should put Stajan as the first line centre and let the rest battle it out for 2-4 spot. For example Stajan - Backlund - Monahan -Knight.
I see what you are sayin but as much as I would like to have only real centermen playing center I don't like the idea of having two guys who have never even played a game of pro. If the went that route I'd rather they tried Reinhart, Bouma, Horak or Street.

And the only way you could really bring in a center would be to trade a D or a winger for one or to figure out a way to get rid of some bodies and then sign a FA. And even If they wanted to go with rooks they would still have to get rid of bodies somehow.

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08-31-2013, 10:38 AM
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I am just going to quote myself since this seemed to be one of the few posts in here that had more than 1 or 2 people agree with it. And I do feel it is still the way to go, at least for the first 9 games.

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and throw in a crazy ideas.

Curtis Glencross - Sean Monahan - Mike Cammalleri
-The line should be defensively reliable, Monahan as a self professed playmaker will get a chance to play with a couple pretty good shooters. I know some will worry about Monahan playing on the top line right away, but Hartley has had success doing this in the past when he was with Colorado.

Sven Baertschi - Mikael Backlund - David Jones
- This line will have speed to burn, Jones should open up space for the Euros and Jones and Backlund are reliable enough defensively to let Sven take some offensive chances.

Jiri Hudler - Matt Stajan - Lee Stempniak
- Like the other 2 lines it has a couple two-way players and Stajan was a common denominator when both Stempniak and Hudler played really well. During important shutdown situations I would have Gelncross take a Hudler's place.

TJ Galiardi - Corban Knight - Tim Jackman/Brian McGrattan
- This should be an energy line that can produce a bit offensively. Galiardi and Knight will see their ice-time increase with PK time and having a top 9 winger double shifting with them occasionally.
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Mark Giordano - Chris Butler
- Butler can log minutes and isn't a complete liability contrary to popular belief and Giordano is better defensively than Wideman or Brodie.

TJ Brodie - Dennis Wideman
- Played well together last season for the most part.

Kris Russell - Shane O'Brien
-Should be a solid bottom pairing, Russell moves the puck well and SOB will bring teh physical element.

Chris Breen/Mark Cundari
-One will be the #7.
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Karri Ramo - Reto Berra - Joey MacDonald
- Three headed dragon. Ramo would play about 50% of the games with Berra and Mac splitting the rest.

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09-01-2013, 05:05 AM
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Looking at these lines.. Oh man how we will get destroyed this season... but thats ok, tis the life of a rebuild. Do it this way and we will grow our young studs into a solid competing team in a few years.

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I don't think I've been this pumped for the start of the season in a while. Maybe those lines will be sheep to the slaughter, but it should be entertaining to watch.

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09-01-2013, 07:55 PM
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hey guys how manny game you think mcgrattan play this season

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hey guys how manny game you think mcgrattan play this season
50ish?

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09-01-2013, 09:42 PM
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both are future hall of fame goaltenders.

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09-02-2013, 04:00 PM
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hey guys how manny game you think mcgrattan play this season
I have him pencilled in at 61 due to injuries, but he is a hard worker and will play every game he can.

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09-06-2013, 09:30 PM
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@TSNBobMcKenzie: CGY curious to see if Galiardi, who played C in minor hockey, can fit in with Stajan and Backlund as Flames' top 3 centres.

@TSNBobMcKenzie: CGY has told T.J. Galiardi to work on faceoffs this summer, EDM the same with Taylor Hall. No telling if it'll work but likely to be tried.

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@TSNBobMcKenzie: CGY curious to see if Galiardi, who played C in minor hockey, can fit in with Stajan and Backlund as Flames' top 3 centres.

@TSNBobMcKenzie: CGY has told T.J. Galiardi to work on faceoffs this summer, EDM the same with Taylor Hall. No telling if it'll work but likely to be tried.
Here we go again.

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Would prefer they try Cammy again, but I guess we shall see...

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