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David Clarkson, Bryan Bickell and Ryane Clowe

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06-29-2013, 09:05 AM
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David Clarkson, Bryan Bickell and Ryane Clowe

Somewhat similar players, all scheduled to become UFAs. Rank them in order of demand and what kind of contract do you think they'll sign at?

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06-29-2013, 09:11 AM
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Clarkson's gonna get a significant $5 mill x multi-year offer from Toronto, so...

Bickell's probably gonna take a hometown discount to stay in Chicago, but he'd get a $4 mill x multi-year offer if he wanted to seek elsewhere...

Clowe's hurt his value; he shouldn't get any more than a short-term, $2.5 to $3 mill deal...


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06-29-2013, 09:38 AM
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I'm also thinking in the same order:

1- Clarkson - $4.5-5 million

2- Bickell - $3.5-4 million

3- Clowe - $3-3.5 million

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06-29-2013, 09:42 AM
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From the very few games I've watched clarkson play, as a leaf fan, I really hope we don't throw big dollars at him... Maybe I'm missing something, but damn, 5x5? Grabo all over again.

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06-29-2013, 10:01 AM
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From the very few games I've watched clarkson play, as a leaf fan, I really hope we don't throw big dollars at him... Maybe I'm missing something, but damn, 5x5? Grabo all over again.
I don't think he deserves $5 million either. If we're talking a long-term $3.7 million dollar deal, I'd consider it. However, we already have Kulemin and he should be playing in an offensive role next season.

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I'm also thinking in the same order:

1- Clarkson - $4.5-5 million

2- Bickell - $3.5-4 million

3- Clowe - $3-3.5 million
spot on

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06-29-2013, 10:31 AM
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If we're playing the contract association games these are the numbers that I think first.

Clarkson 5yr/$5M(MTL)
Bickell 6yr/$4M(CHI) - It was originally $4.5M until he stated he'd take less to stay in Chicago
Clowe 4yr/$4M(NYR) - and still not be happy about it.

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06-29-2013, 10:39 AM
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Clarkson will go too expensive...Leafs fans will regret this one.
Would love Bickell and enjoy having him in Chara's face all year long but IMO will stay in Chicago...
Would not touch Clowe with a ten foot pole.

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06-29-2013, 11:01 AM
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I'm also thinking in the same order:

2- Bickell - $3.5-4 million
I'm sure that someone would be willing to give Bickell that kind of contract, but from a Hawk fan's perspective - that's a risky deal. Bickell obviously stepped up hugely in the P/O's, but so did a guy like Joel Ward a couple of years ago and see how that turned out?

Bickell definitely has the skillset to "justify" that type of deal, but he didn't consistently put forth the effort over the last 3 years. He didn't get much of a chance one of the top lines like he did in the P/O's, but he wasn't even the consistent physical presence. I really hope the Hawks resign him for a little less than the $3.5M, but we'll have to see.

Just wanted to point out that Bickell has a really small sample size to justify the type of contract you're talking about.

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It appears everyone thinks Clarkson will get a mil or two more a year.

Any reason why? Outside of a possible discount for Chicago.

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It appears everyone thinks Clarkson will get a mil or two more a year.

Any reason why?
Cuz Toronto has a hard on for the local boy and will drive the price up...

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I'm sure that someone would be willing to give Bickell that kind of contract, but from a Hawk fan's perspective - that's a risky deal. Bickell obviously stepped up hugely in the P/O's, but so did a guy like Joel Ward a couple of years ago and see how that turned out?

Bickell definitely has the skillset to "justify" that type of deal, but he didn't consistently put forth the effort over the last 3 years. He didn't get much of a chance one of the top lines like he did in the P/O's, but he wasn't even the consistent physical presence. I really hope the Hawks resign him for a little less than the $3.5M, but we'll have to see.

Just wanted to point out that Bickell has a really small sample size to justify the type of contract you're talking about.
I certainly wouldn't deny that and fully agree. The same could be said about Clarkson and mostly, Clowe. The thing is that if they hit free agency, you'll have teams who will throw that kind of money at them, even if it's a risk. Just remember last year what was said about Prust's contract with the Habs...

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It appears everyone thinks Clarkson will get a mil or two more a year.

Any reason why? Outside of a possible discount for Chicago.
GMs are more willing to pay a premium for players who put the puck in the net.

Clarkson has 45 goals the last two seasons, seven more than Clowe and Bickell combined.

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06-29-2013, 11:27 AM
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I'd give Clarkson 4.5-4.75, Clowe a little under 4, Bickell around 3.5

I really hope the Leafs can get Clarkson (even though he'll be overpaid) or Bickell... I think Bickell will resign or sign with the Habs though

BTW the Ward/Bickell comparison above is spot on. Risky player to give a big contract to.

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06-29-2013, 11:29 AM
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It appears everyone thinks Clarkson will get a mil or two more a year.

Any reason why? Outside of a possible discount for Chicago.
The goal scoring.

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It appears everyone thinks Clarkson will get a mil or two more a year.

Any reason why? Outside of a possible discount for Chicago.
Clarkson has a legit 30 goal season on his record, and was on pace for about 25 this year again. That's a pretty solid sample size as a legit 2nd line power winger. He also has a high end "motor" and pretty consistent from an effort/physical perspective.

Just from my perspective (as someone who has seen almost all of Bickell's games), he's ONLY produced like a scoring line player in the play-off's. With a team like the Hawks (cap constrained & existing core pretty much identified), it's REALLY dangerous to pay someone long term based on a 23 game sample size. I LOVE Bickell's game from the P/O's, but over the last 3 seasons, he wasn't that guy, and was more of a 3rd line winger with inconsistent physical presence.

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Pittsburgh needs a power-forward on the top-six.

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I would be happy to see any of those three on Tavares' wing.

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I'm also thinking in the same order:

1- Clarkson - $4.5-5 million

2- Bickell - $3.5-4 million

3- Clowe - $3-3.5 million
If that's the case, see ya later Clarkie what a massive overpayment that would be

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If that's the case, see ya later Clarkie what a massive overpayment that would be
No doubt it would be... but he will be in very high demand.

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If that's the case, see ya later Clarkie what a massive overpayment that would be
Why would you even care about that? the Devils are like 25 million under the cap.

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Why would you even care about that? the Devils are like 25 million under the cap.
#1 it shouldn't matter how far we're under that's one hell of a overpay

#2 we are likely not spending to the cap limit anyway.

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Why would you even care about that? the Devils are like 25 million under the cap.
I don't want that much wrapped up in a guy who talent-wise is realistically a 3rd liner

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I don't want that much wrapped up in a guy who talent-wise is realistically a 3rd liner
Who can score 30 goals in a season

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Who can score 30 goals in a season
I'll take his full body of work over than 1 yr.

He's a 18-25 goal guy...he might hit 30 once or twice again in his career but I wouldn't bet 5m per on it.

Factor in that his vision on the ice is pretty poor and he really can't pass.

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