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07-02-2013, 06:10 PM
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Well it looks like Lecavalier has eliminated Dallas and Detroit off possible destinations. If he ends up in Philli do you guys think that a Coburn deal is imminent?
It could be. That would leave a package of Coburn+Couturier/B.Schenn for our #1 defenseman with Lecavalier as replacement center, and whoever we acquire to replace Coburn.

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There's no one good enough who's actually available for Coburn + Couturier/Schenn.

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It could be. That would leave a package of Coburn+Couturier/B.Schenn for our #1 defenseman with Lecavalier as replacement center, and whoever we acquire to replace Coburn.
It could mean Schenn, I think. Lecavalier easily replaces/improves on Schenn at C. Couturier has a very different role.

I'd rather keep Schenn and move him to wing though.

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If you want Couturier and Coburn in the same deal the only player on the Oilers I want is Schultz.

Disclaimer: If Lecavalier is signing here

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07-02-2013, 06:29 PM
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I think that's what most Flyers fans and Dreger are saying... they don't need to dump Coburn or shed salary. I'm sure they'd like to move one of the 7 defenders who makes $3.5mil+ and I think it'll most likely be Meszaros when he's healthy.

With Pronger on LTIR they will have $9mil in space. If Vinny signs for $5mil per (I doubt Flyers land Vinny although I'd be stoked) then they basically have $4mil for a goalie. Tim Thomas or Nabokov seem likely at this point... although Steve Mason is the one being groomed into the starter.

So yes, if Coburn were to be traded it wouldn't be for futures. It would be for another good young player who can help the team now like MPS+ and even then Dreger said MPS likely wouldn't be the caliber forward they'd want to add. Likely why Holmgren said they weren't even close.
Not exactly. Even with Him going to LTIR they need to be under the cap including him for training camp AND the end of the season. Which basically means that cap hit that comes off the books with Pronger is only really useful for calling up players from the AHL during the season. Maybe signing someone after camp but then you'd have to make a trade to get back under at deadline or waive someone at end of season.

That's my understanding of it anyways.

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07-02-2013, 06:31 PM
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It could mean Schenn, I think. Lecavalier easily replaces/improves on Schenn at C. Couturier has a very different role.

I'd rather keep Schenn and move him to wing though.

I really feel ifyou move 1 schenn you move the other and lose value with both.

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If you want Couturier and Coburn in the same deal the only player on the Oilers I want is Schultz.

Disclaimer: If Lecavalier is signing here
You can have Nick.

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So do these talks heat up again?

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Congrats on getting Vinny. I'm glad we didn't even interview with him, that way no disappoint when he goes elsewhere.

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So do these talks heat up again?
Likely. Coburn to EDM for just picks and prospect(s) now I would guess.

Marincin + 2nd + 3rd?

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Likely. Coburn to EDM for just picks and prospect(s) now I would guess.

Marincin + 2nd + 3rd?
I guess it will be more like:

Coburn+Schenn (the center?)

For picks and prospects.

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Likely. Coburn to EDM for just picks and prospect(s) now I would guess.

Marincin + 2nd + 3rd?
Not in a million years. Coburn is a 23 minute defenseman on a team that thinks it's going to contend for a Cup now.

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I guess it will be more like:

Coburn+Schenn (the center?)

For picks and prospects.

Schenn will play wing.

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07-02-2013, 07:39 PM
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I'd still take Mezsaros (passes physical) or Grossman if Coburn can't be had

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Coburn+Schenn

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Not in a million years. Coburn is a 23 minute defenseman on a team that thinks it's going to contend for a Cup now.
Just need someone to play in the blue paint now.

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Not exactly. Even with Him going to LTIR they need to be under the cap including him for training camp AND the end of the season. Which basically means that cap hit that comes off the books with Pronger is only really useful for calling up players from the AHL during the season. Maybe signing someone after camp but then you'd have to make a trade to get back under at deadline or waive someone at end of season.

That's my understanding of it anyways.
There's a 10% tagging rule so the Flyers can exceed the cap over the summer by slightly more then Pronger's cap hit. When he fails to clear the physical he goes back on LTIR clearing his hit.

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Just need someone to play in the blue paint now.
Honestly, call me crazy but I now think that it's going to be Miller. I think we'll trade them Read + a prospect (Cousins/Ghost) for Miller.

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Honestly, call me crazy but I now think that it's going to be Miller. I think we'll trade them Read + a prospect (Cousins/Ghost) for Miller.
Doesn't sound crazy to me.

If not, would they take a stab at Thomas for free?

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Honestly, call me crazy but I now think that it's going to be Miller. I think we'll trade them Read + a prospect (Cousins/Ghost) for Miller.
They'd have to unload Mezaros first.

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I'd love Coburn on the Leafs, no idea what is fair value though at this point. No interest in giving up Gardiner/Reilly/Kadri for him though which may be a non-starter.

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They'd have to unload Mezaros first.
We'll take him in Edmonton for a song.

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We'll take him in Edmonton for a song.
In the Vinny thread people were questioning if Philly could even get a 7th round pick for him.

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Honestly, call me crazy but I now think that it's going to be Miller. I think we'll trade them Read + a prospect (Cousins/Ghost) for Miller.
And where do you plan on getting this magical 6.5 million cap space for Miller?

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Doesn't sound crazy to me.

If not, would they take a stab at Thomas for free?
That's a very strong possibility too. With us signing Streit and Vinny we are certainly making ourselves look very attractive to a UFA goalie looking to impress for the Olympics like TT is.

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